4 comments for ”The Palestine Papers: An end to the myth of Israel’s generosity“

    
  1. Did you catch this exchange from the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/23/palestinian-papers-fig-leaf-editorial?CMP=twt_fd):

    “When Mr Erekat asked Ms Livni: ‘Short of your jet fighters in my sky and your army on my territory, can I choose where I secure external defence?’. She replied: ‘No. In order to create your state you have to agree in advance with Israel – you have to choose not to have the right of choice afterwards. These are the basic pillars.’”

    The Palestinians have to choose to give up choice. I think that captures the underlying basis of all the demands of Israeli governments that participated in the “peace process.”

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  3. All the hype over papers is unclear. What is surprise here? The Palestinian “leadership” can’t say no to Israelis because it was not elected by Palestinian people but rather enforced on that poor people by Israel and US. It is no wonder Erecat labeled Sharon “friend”. Whom else would he call so? It is only due to Sharon and Americans Erecat and all his gang are not beggars in the markets of Cairo. This “leadership” does represent nobody and it is only goal is keeping forever the endless negotiations and receiving Israeli cash and different kinds of support which follow them. The Palestinian “leaders” did never want to establish the Palestinian state. Overall, the very idea of such a state is rather of Western intellectuals and Israeli Left than of Palestinian Arabs themselves. Palestinian state is bound to be failed state just like all the Arab world, and no Palestinian “leader” who is usually rich and corrupt man accustomed to joyful Israeli-financed Western-styled life far away from his poor and hungry “nation” would wish in his true mind to establish such state. He is also well aware that in case of democratic elections the most radical leaders, like Hamas, would be brought to the top. So, why establish any state?
    To our disaster, Palestinians are in no way consist society or nation. They have no cause or common national dream. They are but tribes who fight each other (like all the Arab and Muslim world) and it is unfair to accuse Israel in succeeding with breaking the Palestinian society. Because there is nothing to break there.

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  5. “Yet from a wider perspective, the release of the Palestinian offers during the 2008 talks serves as proof that Israel in fact had a partner for peace on the Palestinian side.”

    Err.. what offers of peace do you talk about? There were negotiations, where both sides had often conflicting positions (not ‘offers’, in the sense of ‘if you accept this, we’ll sign a peace agreement’). When the time to conclude the negotiations had come (because the Israeli government’s time was due), the Palestinians didn’t agree to Olmert’s offer of peace, much less give an (counter)offer of peace to Olmert.

    Actually, looking at how far Olmert has bended to Palestinian negotiation positions in that offer, their refusal looks quite mysterious (unless they were not negotiating in good faith).

    “As far as the Israeli public is concerned, opposition leader Tzipi Livni comes out fine from the papers. Unlike the Palestinian negotiators, Livni can’t be accused of double talk.”

    I beg to differ. Livni has provided lots of double talk. For example, Livni has stated no Palestinian refugees will be accepted by Israel in a final agreement (e.g. [1]). This despite being involved in negotiating an agreement which would have let at least a certain number get in! Similarly, she apparently has floated some proposals similar to Lieberman’s, while seemingly deploring him as an extremist (he’s actually a demagogue, but nevermind that).

    [1]
    http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/13034/1426562

    P.S. congrats on getting Labour right. My excuse is that Barak’s move was entirely out of the blue.

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  7. [...] political force, and does not need Israel’s approval. More over, it seems that currently, talking to Israel is a way to delegitimize a Palestinian leader, and not the other way [...]



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