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	<title>Comments on: The first Mr. Hasbara: Mike Wallace&#8217;s 1958 talk with Abba Eban</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, it makes perfect sense to me that American and British Jews would be proud and supportive of such an effort.

From traumas there is a phenomena of &quot;survivors guilt&quot;. Its not literally that people are guilty that they survived, though that occurs in particularly stressed individuals.

&quot;Survivors guilt&quot; is in the healthy range of motivation. American Jews were motivated by the sentiment &quot;if it were us?&quot; morphing into the strong motivation of &quot;how can I help?&quot;

Its not all that different than many dissenters&#039; motivation, &quot;if it were us&quot; (walking compassionately in another&#039;s shoes), and &quot;how can I help?&quot; (actually doing something about it, something positive).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, it makes perfect sense to me that American and British Jews would be proud and supportive of such an effort.</p>
<p>From traumas there is a phenomena of &#8220;survivors guilt&#8221;. Its not literally that people are guilty that they survived, though that occurs in particularly stressed individuals.</p>
<p>&#8220;Survivors guilt&#8221; is in the healthy range of motivation. American Jews were motivated by the sentiment &#8220;if it were us?&#8221; morphing into the strong motivation of &#8220;how can I help?&#8221;</p>
<p>Its not all that different than many dissenters&#8217; motivation, &#8220;if it were us&#8221; (walking compassionately in another&#8217;s shoes), and &#8220;how can I help?&#8221; (actually doing something about it, something positive).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in his fan club.

I see misrepresentation in the characterization of Israel as &quot;only&quot; undertaking ethnic cleansing, and not also somehow conducting developing and protecting a community.

In the environment post WW-2 of European Jews not permitted to migrate to Great Britain, France, US, Russia and instead expected to return to the towns where most of their neighbors cheered as the shuttled them off to death camps, it makes perfect sense to me that they would seek out a life in Israel.

That wrongs occur currently deserves attention and significant repair.

But, to rationalize a similarly simplistic description of history, seems hypocritical to me. Worse than hypocritical as it insists on continued war, the LEAST democratic and most suppressive political setting, both externally and internally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in his fan club.</p>
<p>I see misrepresentation in the characterization of Israel as &#8220;only&#8221; undertaking ethnic cleansing, and not also somehow conducting developing and protecting a community.</p>
<p>In the environment post WW-2 of European Jews not permitted to migrate to Great Britain, France, US, Russia and instead expected to return to the towns where most of their neighbors cheered as the shuttled them off to death camps, it makes perfect sense to me that they would seek out a life in Israel.</p>
<p>That wrongs occur currently deserves attention and significant repair.</p>
<p>But, to rationalize a similarly simplistic description of history, seems hypocritical to me. Worse than hypocritical as it insists on continued war, the LEAST democratic and most suppressive political setting, both externally and internally.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahad Haadam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahad Haadam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is interesting is that the interviewer also reflects America&#039;s stance at that time, which was more or less even handed in its Middle East dealings. Today you can&#039;t even imagine any MSM American interviewer asking these questions and suggesting that perhaps America should be even handed in its Middle East policy and has an obligation to maintain friendship with the Arab people too. 

Also, quite funny, here is a man who was not even born in the region, speaking perfect English with Queen&#039;s accent, probably living in a house confiscated from a refugee family, and laying the blame squarely on the &quot;native savages&quot;, including putting the onus on them to fix the refugee problem that his colonial immigration and ethnic cleansing has created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is interesting is that the interviewer also reflects America&#8217;s stance at that time, which was more or less even handed in its Middle East dealings. Today you can&#8217;t even imagine any MSM American interviewer asking these questions and suggesting that perhaps America should be even handed in its Middle East policy and has an obligation to maintain friendship with the Arab people too. </p>
<p>Also, quite funny, here is a man who was not even born in the region, speaking perfect English with Queen&#8217;s accent, probably living in a house confiscated from a refugee family, and laying the blame squarely on the &#8220;native savages&#8221;, including putting the onus on them to fix the refugee problem that his colonial immigration and ethnic cleansing has created.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Witty: “You don’t like that he is proud of Israel, presents Israel as a positive effort?”
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I don’t like that he pulls off a PR coup that seriously distorts the truth which you then call reasonable and accurate. 
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And how is the Palestinian community going to achieve “dignity, freedom, self-governance” when it is stifled under a vicious occupation? Only this week Oxfam reports that power outages in Gaza have been lasting 18 hours a day in some areas. Meanwhile the tunnels are closed to fuel for cars and generators resulting in the price being three times the price of fuel supplied through the tunnels.  Lest you forget Egyptian policy on entry of goods into Gaza is controlled by Israel via its hold on US policy-makers. Palestinians have the capabilities to create a thriving nation, but they need Israel to stop stealing their rights, their resources, their land and their finances, along with desisting from indulging in violent turkey shoots on a routine basis. If they were to be the beneficiaries of the sort of financial largesse that has been doled out to Israel over decades it would also help them considerably.
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Caden: What do I want Eban to do? Act like a man of principle and not a propagandist liar. Whatever the hell anyone calls it the Zionists had prepared for this fight and had started ethnic cleansing before the Arab attacks, contrary to your misinterpretation of history. The Jews have been “bitching” about their legitimate grievances for a lot longer than 64 years. The Palestinians too have legitimate grievances and you hypocritically want them to keep quiet about being violently deprived of their homes and their land by foreign invaders. I am not so naïve as to expect Eban in 1958 to commit political suicide by publically declaring that Israel had been founded on the rape of Palestine. I do take strong exception to him pretending that Israel was a paragon of virtue and everything that had happened was entirely the fault of the Arabs. The man was a moral bankrupt. Don’t look to me to subscribe to the fan club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Witty: “You don’t like that he is proud of Israel, presents Israel as a positive effort?”<br />
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I don’t like that he pulls off a PR coup that seriously distorts the truth which you then call reasonable and accurate.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
And how is the Palestinian community going to achieve “dignity, freedom, self-governance” when it is stifled under a vicious occupation? Only this week Oxfam reports that power outages in Gaza have been lasting 18 hours a day in some areas. Meanwhile the tunnels are closed to fuel for cars and generators resulting in the price being three times the price of fuel supplied through the tunnels.  Lest you forget Egyptian policy on entry of goods into Gaza is controlled by Israel via its hold on US policy-makers. Palestinians have the capabilities to create a thriving nation, but they need Israel to stop stealing their rights, their resources, their land and their finances, along with desisting from indulging in violent turkey shoots on a routine basis. If they were to be the beneficiaries of the sort of financial largesse that has been doled out to Israel over decades it would also help them considerably.<br />
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Caden: What do I want Eban to do? Act like a man of principle and not a propagandist liar. Whatever the hell anyone calls it the Zionists had prepared for this fight and had started ethnic cleansing before the Arab attacks, contrary to your misinterpretation of history. The Jews have been “bitching” about their legitimate grievances for a lot longer than 64 years. The Palestinians too have legitimate grievances and you hypocritically want them to keep quiet about being violently deprived of their homes and their land by foreign invaders. I am not so naïve as to expect Eban in 1958 to commit political suicide by publically declaring that Israel had been founded on the rape of Palestine. I do take strong exception to him pretending that Israel was a paragon of virtue and everything that had happened was entirely the fault of the Arabs. The man was a moral bankrupt. Don’t look to me to subscribe to the fan club.</p>
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		<title>By: caden</title>
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		<dc:creator>caden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard L, Eban was the foreign minister of Israel. What did you want him to do, take a gun and blow his head off in shame over the Arabs &quot;naqba&quot;. Or whatever the hell you call it. I call it losing a war you started and then bitching about it for 64 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard L, Eban was the foreign minister of Israel. What did you want him to do, take a gun and blow his head off in shame over the Arabs &#8220;naqba&#8221;. Or whatever the hell you call it. I call it losing a war you started and then bitching about it for 64 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is much to change and repair, but the reality that the founding and preservation of the state of Israel was a profound liberation for the European and Sephardi Jewish community, and for the world Jewish community.

That a formerly suppressed community subject to continual prejudice now found a base of dignity, freedom, self-governance, was a profound good in the world, a truly progressive era.

What needs to happen now is that the Palestinian community achieve something similar to what the Jewish community achieved in the founding and evolution of Israel.

Not that Israel should be subject to threat or to weaken.

You don&#039;t like that he is proud of Israel, presents Israel as a positive effort?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is much to change and repair, but the reality that the founding and preservation of the state of Israel was a profound liberation for the European and Sephardi Jewish community, and for the world Jewish community.</p>
<p>That a formerly suppressed community subject to continual prejudice now found a base of dignity, freedom, self-governance, was a profound good in the world, a truly progressive era.</p>
<p>What needs to happen now is that the Palestinian community achieve something similar to what the Jewish community achieved in the founding and evolution of Israel.</p>
<p>Not that Israel should be subject to threat or to weaken.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like that he is proud of Israel, presents Israel as a positive effort?</p>
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		<title>By: RichardL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Witty: &quot;I found Abba Eban’s comments to be reasonable, rational, accurate, clear, and helpful.&quot; 
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Very witty. I mean you have got to be joking.
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Just take the first five minutes and you have, from the Voice of Israel,

“democracy established” (for the Palestinians in the Galilee at this time?)
“Violence imposed by the hostility of our neighbours” (Were they responsible for Plan Dalet?)
“...perhaps the memories of the Sinai expedition...” (Nice euphemism for premeditated and unprovoked aggression.)
Prof Toynbee’s statement is a &quot;monstrous blasphemy&quot; (I would have expected better from a linguist)
Arab refugees “suffering certain anguish” and “temporary suffering” (Gross understatements if not callous lies.)
&quot;The refugee problem is the result of an Arab policy which created the problem by the invasion of Israel. Which perpetuates it by refusing to accommodate them into their expanding labour market&quot; (So the Nakba was all the Arabs fault, as is Israel&#039;s denial of the legal right of return.)
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I do not share your dry sense of humour. In fact it stinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Witty: &#8220;I found Abba Eban’s comments to be reasonable, rational, accurate, clear, and helpful.&#8221;<br />
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Very witty. I mean you have got to be joking.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
Just take the first five minutes and you have, from the Voice of Israel,</p>
<p>“democracy established” (for the Palestinians in the Galilee at this time?)<br />
“Violence imposed by the hostility of our neighbours” (Were they responsible for Plan Dalet?)<br />
“&#8230;perhaps the memories of the Sinai expedition&#8230;” (Nice euphemism for premeditated and unprovoked aggression.)<br />
Prof Toynbee’s statement is a &#8220;monstrous blasphemy&#8221; (I would have expected better from a linguist)<br />
Arab refugees “suffering certain anguish” and “temporary suffering” (Gross understatements if not callous lies.)<br />
&#8220;The refugee problem is the result of an Arab policy which created the problem by the invasion of Israel. Which perpetuates it by refusing to accommodate them into their expanding labour market&#8221; (So the Nakba was all the Arabs fault, as is Israel&#8217;s denial of the legal right of return.)<br />
&nbsp;<br />
I do not share your dry sense of humour. In fact it stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebban, netanyahu is good charlatans, they dupe(d) alot of people. Its part of the PR campaign Israel make use of and know the importance of. Anyone who is well read into the subject although knows that these 2 men are professtional liars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebban, netanyahu is good charlatans, they dupe(d) alot of people. Its part of the PR campaign Israel make use of and know the importance of. Anyone who is well read into the subject although knows that these 2 men are professtional liars.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Abba Eban&#039;s comments to be reasonable, rational, accurate, clear, and helpful.

The effort to dismiss them, is at least partially an effort of historical revision, in fact and in emphasis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Abba Eban&#8217;s comments to be reasonable, rational, accurate, clear, and helpful.</p>
<p>The effort to dismiss them, is at least partially an effort of historical revision, in fact and in emphasis.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Noam for the info and the inserted space.</description>
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