18 comments for ”Jennifer Rubin’s neo-con argument for one-state solution“

    
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  3. The problem is that Rubin – and, let’s be honest about it, many if not most of the settlers too – would have no problem with permanent apartheid; crowded, disconnected, nonviable bantustans in which “the Palestinians can run their own lives” included to make it appear “democratic”. And right now, they have no reason to believe that such a solution would not be feasible.

    What Raed Kami writes is important as well: In a binational state based on equality, can the settlers still sit in their hilltop communities hogging the prime real estate – in many cases illegally confiscated from Palestinians – and the water resources? Not really, right?

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  5. Excellent article. It’s nice to see a critique of the neoconservative argument. It makes all rationales for apartheid all the more porous.

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  7. I see. If Jews don’t employ Arab workers (what was called in the 1930′s “Avodah Ivrit”) they are racists. If they DO emplooy Arab workers they are colonialist, capitalist exploiters. I’m glad I got that straight.

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  9. Ben Israel, you do not understand. If “Jews” do not employ “Arabs” they are by definition guilty of racial discrimination. There is nothing wrong with “Jews” employing “Arabs”. What the “Jews” do to “Arabs” in the West Bank and Gaza and did to the “Arabs” in the land currently called Israel is not colonialism or capitalism. The normal current terms are “crime against humanity”, “apartheid”, “racial discrimination” and “ethnic cleansing”. No person should be displaced, denied their rights and robbed from their existence because people like “Ben Israel” label them “Arabs” instead of “Jew”. Each person has individual human rights.

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  11. and the obvious rubin doesn’t mention, is it is forbidden (by the isrealis) for the paletsinians to build on their land in the west bank. don’t forget getting roads, water and electricity for them if they did, is impossible. the settlers living on the 10′s of newly implanted racist colonies on the hilltops leading to nablus, are the most virulent, racist and violent type squatters. but anything than lies coming from a radical neo-con (hucklebee comes to mind) squatter sympathizer would just be out of character.

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  13. Although the international community and the UN recognize the 1967 border has legal significance, it doesn’t appear that Israel or the settlers share that opinion. What would those in the Knesset say if Palestinians started building some new “facts on the ground” within the 1967 border?

    Of course, it would never happen. They would be shot first. But perhaps some NGOs sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians might start purchasing property inside the 1967 borders and begin building “settlements” for the Palestinians.

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  15. It seems like you guys delete a comment by almost every Arab commenter here.

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  17. @Michael – I can assure you that’s not true. We delete comments that are not in line with our comment policy (which you can see on our About page).
    We have deleted comments of both Jews, Christians and Arabs (or at least people who post comments with Jewish, Christian and Arab names). No one receives “special” treatment on +972.

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  19. Lora-
    Palestinians build facts on the ground within the pre-67 Israel every day…this is called “illegal building” in Israel and it is massive. This includes Palestinians who are forced by the 1948 war to carry Israeli identity cards (i.e. what used to be called “Israeli Arabs” but that has become politically incorrect) and those who don’t.

    Secondly,
    No Palestinian or other Arab recognizes Israeli sovereignity inside the pre-67 borders. That is why they insist on the “right of return” of the Palestinian refugees…they do not view Israel as having sovereign rights to determine who lives within those borders, the Palestinians claim the right to determine that. They also oppose Jews living in Arab areas within pre-67 Israel….e.g. the demonstration against Jews moving into Jaffa a few weeks ago. Thus, the only people who view the pre-67 lines as having any real significance are the Israel Left. The Arabs certainly don’t recognize it as an international border in the the generally accepted sense of the word.

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  21. ” Thus, the only people who view the pre-67 lines as having any real significance are the Israel Left. The Arabs certainly don’t recognize it as an international border in the the generally accepted sense of the word. ”

    Text of Arab peace initiative adopted at Beirut summit :
    ” … Consequently, the Arab Countries affirm the following: a. Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict ended, and enter into a peace agreement with Israel, and provide security for all the states of the region.

    b. Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace.

    4. Assures the rejection of all forms of Palestinian patriation which conflict with the special circumstances of the Arab host countries.

    5. Calls upon the Government of Israel and all Israelis to accept this initiative in order to safeguard the prospects for peace and stop the further shedding of blood, enabling the Arab Countries and Israel to live in peace and good neighborliness and provide future generations with security, stability, and prosperity.”

    http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/AllDocsByUNID/5a7229b652beb9c5c1256b8a0054b62e

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  23. Kibbutznik-

    Nothing you quoted there goes against what I said. The Arab Initiative calls for an unlimited right of return for the Palestinian refugees.

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  25. In any event, in light of recent developments the Arab Initiative is a dead letter (was it ever alive?). With important elements in both Jordan and Egypt indicating that they want to “review” their “peace agreements” with Israel leading to downgrading of relations if not cancelling the agreements outright, no one in the Arab world is now going to be pushing for new peace agreements.
    Abbas’ refusal to accept American compromise offers if he would withdraw the UN Security Council Resolution regarding the settlements and openly embarrassing the most pro-Arab President in history shows the PA has no intention of resuming the “peace” negotiations with Israel on any terms so we are now entering a new era in the Arab-Israeli conflict. The 37 year-long period following the Yom Kippur War in which the Israeli Left convinced itself that the Arab were ready for peace with Israel has come to an end.

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  27. The Arab Peace Initiative is still being pursued and encouraged by key leaders in the region, it is not dead.

    One of the main stipulations of the initiative and subsequent recognition is that Israeli leaders agree to return to pre-1967 borders. Low and behold, Israeli leaders refuse to accept returning/ retreating to Israel’s pre-1967 borders and continue to encroach on Palestinian land.

    The plan should be seriously looked at…It was supposed to be a backbone of Obama’s foreign policy initiative regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict…but has been lost in the shuffle, with only trivial lip-service paid to the plan. The Arab League and many prominent figures in the M.E. continue to push this peace plan. Don’t disregard it.

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  29. @ Ben Israel , you said :
    ” Thus, the only people who view the pre-67 lines as having any real significance are the Israel Left. The Arabs certainly don’t recognize it as an international border in the the generally accepted sense of the word. ”
    Wrong .
    Plus ” The Arab Initiative calls for an unlimited right of return for the Palestinian refugees. ”
    Kindly read this :
    http://bitterlemons-api.org/inside.php?id=15

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  31. “Agreed upon by both sides”. The Palestinian demand is unlimited, unrestricted return, and until the Israelis accept this, there is no agreement. Exactly what I have been claiming. You want to believe that the Palestinians will compromise on this. Have they?

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  33. What you believe and what I believe Ben Israel are diametrically opposed which is reflected in our choice of political parties.
    Competing narratives and the right of return :
    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/archive/archives_ror/

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  35. Anonymous blogger Neo-neocon:

    http://neoneocon.com/ (look at the image on the right)

    Jennifer Rubin:

    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/rubin_jenni...

    Notice any similarities. Consider this Ms. Rubin’s outing.



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