Comments on: Government funding institutions supporting Jewish terrorism

By: Joanna

Joanna — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:49:54 +0000

My friend asks, “i am not clear what are you referring to. Could you please clarify for me the activity of these institutions?”
She’s conversant with Hebrew named institutions and I’m not.
Please help me give her some clarification. Thank you.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:42:06 +0000

This is very worrying and I entirely share the author’s concern. And for sure if this were a Palestinian group the reaction by Israeli authorities would be incomparably different.
That said, it’s still a bit over the top to say the Govt is funding an organisation by granting it tax exempt status.

By: Yossi Gurvitz

Yossi Gurvitz — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:54:24 +0000

“John T. MCF. Mood”, if that is your real name, here:

http://972mag.com/muslim-and-christian-cemeteries-desecrated-in-jaffa/24832/

Thanks for playing.

By: John T. McF. Mood

John T. McF. Mood — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:31:23 +0000

You show pictures of a graveyard that may or may not have been desecrated by vandals, yet you say it is Jewish terrorism. Do you have proof? Witnesses to the desecration?

It’s subtitled “A graveyard in Jaffa, desecrated by Jewish terrorists. (Photo: Activestills)” We should take your word that it was desecrated? It may be decrepit & uncared for by those who should respect the graves of their loved ones. It is impossible to tell who’s graves these are if they are Jewish graves or Arab graves or who may have left the apparently Arabic graffiti on the one grave.

From what can be seen in the photo, it APPEARS to be in disrepair, not vandalized or desecrated, with one exception.

Your article is inflammatory and it seems your “News” is really “Op-Ed” material.

One mention of the graveyard (a photo) and no writing to back up the claims on the photo and it’s subtitle.

Did you fail Journalism 101?

Shalom,

John

By: Philos

Philos — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:31:15 +0000

I think what is fascinating in this article is the section on the Halakic disagreement between YG’s traditional rabbi and that of the radical position of Elizur. The media, especially in Israel, tend to homogenize the religious Jewish community into two monolithic blocs; one being acceptable (National religious) and one considered insane (Ultra-Orthodox). I think these kind of Halakic points against the radical theology of the settler movement ought to be disseminated as an urgent priority. I was not aware of the exact nature of the din rodef. All I thought it that it is, is a broad rule that allows fanatics to get away with murder in the eyes of god. Now it appears that I was mistaken and what we have is a very principled bit of law that is very similar to the Geneva Conventions on treatment of POW’s.
Yossi if you know more about this topic or know of a rabbi who would be willing to write about the traditional halakic positions vis-a-vis the ideology of the national religious I think all the readers on 972blog would welcome it! Thanks!

By: Esther

Esther — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:21:29 +0000

The public defender receives government funds. The public defender sometimes defends people accused of crimes or terrorism. Is the government supporting terrorism?
Shame on you Yossi.
Ask any legal defense organization.
Citizens have a right to a fair judicial process!
That is the job of every legal defense organization. If there is no legal defense organization, the government does it. That is a basic human civil value.

Other values we hold dear: The court will decide if the person is guilty based on evidence. A person is innocent until proven guilty.

By: John Love

John Love — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:56:13 +0000

I see your point Yossi. I agree with your point. I disagree with the extended logic that the Israeli Government supports Jewish terrorism in so far as they are funding an institution that meets a certain criteria and that institution does things you don’t like (that I don’t like). It’s not quid pro quo the Israeli government inciting hate and violence because they fund the Yitzhar, especially considering wide spectrum of non-profits that are government funded, nearly a quarter of which are tax exempt. It’s an op-ed piece posing as breaking news. That’s my point.

I apologize for any offense you took to the remark ‘self-hating Jew rhetoric;’ in context it was a reference to the language of your piece and I humbly apologize if you thought I meant to unfairly label you.

And yes, John Love is my real name.

By: Yossi Gurvitz

Yossi Gurvitz — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:19:00 +0000

“John Love”, if that is your real name, you’d be pleased to know I don’t hate myself. I don’t consider rabid settlers and Jewish terrorists to be part of “myself.”

My point is:

1. The Yitzhar yeshiva, which promotes the Torat Ha’Melekh book, is government-funded. This is uncontested.

2. Honenu, which has as its public spokesman a member of the Yitzhar yeshiva who is also a prominent writer in the most important Israeli hate speech site, enjoys tax exemption – which most associations do not.

If Honenu was a Palestinian association, and it would have employed/used a known terror promoter, the ISA would close it in a blink of an eye. That’s the point.

By: Yossi Gurvitz

Yossi Gurvitz — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:14:06 +0000

Mitchell, don’t be cute. I think we all know what we’ll do when we face a suicide bomber and we are armed. I was referring to Elitzur’s contention that one should murder a bound terrorism suspect, i.e. one who no longer poses any danger.

By: Arpad Toldi

Arpad Toldi — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:50:46 +0000

spot on, Yossi