Comments on: IDF investigations: Will there be justice for Tamimi?

By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 07:01:13 +0000

Your second post hadn’t come through when I began explaining the true nature of things myself.
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I do not talk much about Israeli/Palestinian state politics because that politics removes the issues of personal harm from civilians; we just have to take one or the other side and root for our team in the ever coming Super Bowl (I hate american football). All I can do, a man without power or position, is advocate that issues be reframed outside of the treaty discourses. As far as I can tell, such discourse is used, internally on both sides (more than two sides with Gaza and those in the camps) to numb us from conjecturing other ways to approach each violent act, from death to lesser things.
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Fight for right within your love and you may be surprised at the long term consequence. Such is my faith.

By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:54:48 +0000

Yes, Bosko, yes. Then list one sin of both as you need. Let no one forget murder and hate have no preferred label. For when “the other side” keeps harping on us vs them they are trapping you as well as themselves.
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I have no solution save for my silly Declaration call. So I look to see how the mutual traps are formed. I find both sides surprisingly (or not) similar in tactics.
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I know you are not a fan of Gandhi, but I recall when he sat with the owner of a burned out house (a muslim). “Why do you sit with him,” some Hindu come to surround the place demanded. Gandhi replied, “because you are out there.”
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List atrocities together, one from each side. That will change the nature of atrocity in this discouse.

By: Bosko

Bosko — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:52:06 +0000

Oh and once again. Why isn’t the PA even negotiating without preconditions? After all, if a peace agreement could be reached, there would be less of a chance for either side to sin.
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You don’t think it is worth reminding people of that, often, Greg?

By: Bosko

Bosko — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:47:02 +0000

Greg
The murder of the Fogel family happened last year. I brought it up because our LAILA delights in enumerating Israel’s sins, past or present at every opportunity. I just thought that a balancing of the books is in order. People ought to know that sins happen on BOTH sides.

By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:31:24 +0000

Since Jewish Authority (apparently) conspired for the elimination of Jesus, all Jews must bear the taint of their ancestors’ act. This makes about as much sense as saying a 20 year old Palestinians must endure what they do because of decisions from the 1910′s to, what, yesterday? Stop forcing people into the prison of your history. For I warn you–they are making alternative prisions for you.

By: Bosko

Bosko — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:51:42 +0000

… And the baby.

By: Bosko

Bosko — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:50:23 +0000

Oh and the Mother too …

By: Bosko

Bosko — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:48:56 +0000

It is also a pity that the Palestinian Arabs rejected reasonable peace offers from Israel. Had they accepted even one of those peace offers there would be no more victims on either side. Tamimi would still be alive and so would the Fogel family. The father, the infant and a child. All 5 of them.

By: Jon Garfrunkel

Jon Garfrunkel — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:59:29 +0000

It’s a shame that the actions of the IDF lead Laila to feel as she does. For the sake of the integrity Israeli Army — if it still hangs in the balance for some jurors of the world — the investigation must be done.

This is the press release from the IDF today, FWIW:

“IDF medics better prepared to save lives in Judea and Samaria”
http://www.idf.il/1283-14456-EN/Dover.aspx

By: ISRAEL

ISRAEL — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:54:49 +0000

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