Comments on: ‘Social justice’ requires an end to the Occupation

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:51:40 +0000

Sure, we can pretend that every political position one doesn’t like is either irrational or racist in which case one is stuck with a narrative that states that nothing could be fixed until everyone thinks like you. There are individual issues to be resolved and lumping them together is rhetorical BS used by ideologues to pollute the actual waters of finding solutions.

By: Piotr Berman

Piotr Berman — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:20:26 +0000

“Op-eds reflect the positions of their authors alone, and not those of +972 Magazine bloggers and editors.”

Yet, on the main page this article does not show the author but “+972 blog”. And my impression is that the author presents some points that could well represent consensus of the blog creators and some points which are very particular to his political group, like purported “neo-liberal” nature of Oslo accords.

In general, I would criticize this article for some “dialectic” shortcuts that indeed go in the “workers unite” territory (OK to unite, but for what? Umma? social welfare state? clearly not the same). Where does history march? Is she a goddess? Or History prepares us to be worthy of Messiah when He comes.

By: Piotr Berman

Piotr Berman — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:48:08 +0000

“It is possible to fight racism against the migrants while ignoring the Palestinians. It is possible to differentiate between the racism against Arabs and that against Africans.”

Sure! One can be selective. We can go to “all you can eat” lunch place and yet pick only the racism that we truly like. But what to do if the deal is “take one, pick one free”? Like “we can smash some infiltrators and beat up unpatriotic journalists who criticize occupation in the same time”. Or we can make concentration camps for the infiltrators (“tent cities” surrounded by barbed wire) and send leftists there too, as some MKs proposed.

By: sh

sh — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:31:40 +0000

Parties usually break away from each other because they have differences. Few are like Likud-Kadima.

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:20:39 +0000

SH, Da’am is a Maki offshoot. The rhetoric is internationalist and comes down to revolution and ‘workers of the world unite’ as per the video posted somewhere else on this silly site of the group’s leader.

By: caden

caden — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:46:06 +0000

Well, Sherri, maybe you’ll have another dream about your daughter being electrocuted. But I digress. Obviously the author feels that Greece is the country that has showed the way.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 09:17:21 +0000

A people-centered movement has already accomplished revolution in making social welfare, everybody’s, the point.

As social well-being is sometimes skew to the points of political action, they are NOT synonymous.

If a political orientation hinders the development of the sentiment for people, then it is not progressive, but regressive, in the form of slowing social change, not making it.

Ultimately, a concern for people will confront incongruities, and the questions of who one is neglecting as a pattern.

Are those that are opposed to occupation also opposed to economic injustices, to racial, to gender. Are they supportive of self-determination, including Jews’ and other non-political association?

Do they have a respect for the application of “tikkun olam” in the form of “all my relations”, or only a few political forms?

Which is the larger set, the eco-social-spiritual past-present-future or the political, relative only to injustice?

By: Tzila

Tzila — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:41:15 +0000

Bravo ,very good analysis !!! ,there isn’t one thing without the other

By: sh

sh — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 06:44:59 +0000

@John – “Hey, who coined the arab spring?”
Tunisia and Egypt. The protests of neither country were initiated by the Muslim Brotherhood.
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@K9 – “Also, I must say how appropriate it is that 972mag is becoming a mouthpiece for a communist political party which in the 2009 knesset elections had a grand total of 2,645 votes (out of three million plus).”
The Daam Worker’s Party is socialist, not communist. Maki is Israel’s communist party.

By: Sherri Munnerlyn

Sherri Munnerlyn — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 04:18:42 +0000

This article makes me just so incredibly sad for Israel.Is there nothing a people can do when their countries begin their moral declines, to stop it? Are we all just doomed to watch it happen, with the ability to try to respond ethically to situations, but with no real ability to shange the courses our nations are headed in?