65 comments for ”The activist Left must condemn the murder of the Itamar family“

    
  1. A vigil should have been taken place.
    But I want to remind you that not even one settler from Itamar or any other settlement ever lost a heartbeat over a palestinian child or infant.
    The fundamentalist religious settlers of Itamar lacks the basic humanistic morals that might let them do so.
    Those morals are what separates the radical left from the settlers and from most of the Israeli society.
    A vigil should have been taking place but one that would stir the bitterness the settlers mixed in their own cup.

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  3. And perhaps a condemnation of the The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, which gleefully took credit for the butchering, would be in order, too.

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  5. More than two organizations condemned it this morning. Sheikh Jarrah Solidarity Movement did too:

    תנועת שייח ג׳ראח סולידריות מגנה בשאת נפש את רצח חמישה בני המשפחה באיתמר. מעשים אלה מנוגדים לאידיאולוגיה שמנחה אותנו והם מחבלים בסיכוי לעתיד משותף וטוב יותר.

    Also the fact that those who do not use computers or watch TV on Shabat (believe it or not, some leftists don’t) would account for relative quiet on the issue.

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  7. Thank you for this piece. After the shock of hearing the news as I exited shabbat (Yes, SH, I’m also one of those on the left who doesn’t use a computer on shabbat), I also was searching for my regular blogs to comment on the attack. I must say, though, that while I am encouraged by the condemnations issued by B’Tselem and others, I have a nagging question in my head – why does it take such an extreme and egregious attack against settlers to elicit a condemnation? Just as there is regular violence against Palestinians, isn’t there violence against settlers on a regular basis as well? I believe it is indeed disproportionate, that more of it is carried out against Palestinians, yet, as you write, Dimi, “The activist Left’s confused and muted response reveals a shameful double standard,” one that I often wonder if it doesn’t exist all the time, and not only in the face of such a brutal attack.

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  9. The entire world (Left, right, up and down)should condemn Israel for the atrocities applied on Palestinians, i don’t want to know what your people suffered in the past, we are talking about the present and a peaceful future if possible, this is so tiny when you look of what is happening in this world, please send thsi people for another planet or give a new one for us, because it’s a joke what is happening over there, we are tired to see Israel “raping” the palestinain people!

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  11. Bravo Dimi.

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  13. Shaul, amazing that you know the about the heart beats of other people. Hypocrisy is the word- revise it.

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  15. It sounds like this just happened, so I guess the “Left” must use it’s mind reading ability to know news as it happens?

    I would like point out that while you make a big deal over this that there are videos of kids being mowed down by cars being driven by an Israeli driver.

    Perhaps the parents should not take young children to live in occupied territory.

    That being said it is very wrong what happened, both sides are to blame but in this case the killer is the most responsible for this.

    “Those who make peaceful protest impossible, make violent protest inevitable”
    – John F. Kennedy

    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/twilight-zone-the-children-of-5767-1.230132

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/28/israel
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/12/israel?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/29/israel?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

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  17. Condemnation implies guilt. It is clear that it is not only the guilt of the direct perpetrator(s) you are asking to establish. Otherwise I will stand corrected and silent. But asking from entire movement for condemnation certainly has to have a broader implications.

    So who is on trial here? Palestinian authority? Palestinian people? Palestinian cause? Its can’t be Israeli left (or right), because one does not condemn himself. It seems to me that exactly this cleansing that you are seeking by such a call. If entire left will condemn this then it means that it removes any guilt from itself. So I hope that such condemnation will never occur and I am glad it is not. Embarrassment and confusion is adequate and reasonable. I think that it what you are feeling too.

    You will get enough condemnations from any official Israeli voice. But it is for the left to pause, to react differently, to stop the hegemonic pouring, to be embarrassed, to be confused. Because it is silly to condemn oneself but anyone who paid a shekel through taxes to Israeli government, who served one day in the Israeli army, who voted for Zionist party, is responsible for Palestinian resistance and participating in oppression.

    Not even one drop of those children blood has stained the Palestinian cause.

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  19. There are no “sides” when it comes to deliberate killing of babies, we’re all on the same side, and share the same responsibility as human beings. We condemn the terrorist attack on Itamar in which 5 family members killed. On behalf of all here we send our condolences to the friends and family of the victims.

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  21. to all you leftist pigs.

    will there ever come a time when you can support your position without lying?

    comparing the massacre of a family to a staged pallywood event?

    saying that peaceful protest is not allowed? you pigs created the term “unarmed protest”, because you pigs are incapable of true peaceful protest.

    right now, in gaza…candies are being handed out to children, so that they may rejoice over the murders of this family.

    you blame both sides for what happened last night?

    “You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?” – Joseph Welch

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  23. good article. Though the fact that it needed to be written at all speaks volumes about much of the 972 crowd and the post/anti-zionist left.

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  25. You forgot to mention “Peace Now”, who was one the first to condemn the attacks, almost simultaneously with B’tselem.

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  27. The first paragraph of this comment was edited in accordance to +972′s comment policy, which prohibits calls for ethnic cleansing.

    ..I advise you to work for equal rights and justice for all. Including the right to vote in Israeli elections for all Palestinians; meaning, all those in all parts of Palestine and the refugees.

    In the meantime, you might think about actually enforcing the law against the “price tag” attacks of the colonial squatters, instead of giving them slaps on the wrist. Until Israel changes it’s fascist outlook, you can expect more resistance from the natives. They want their land back; as you steal more, they resist more. You reap what you sow, and you’ve killed so many of them.

    Getting into this “on the one hand, on the other hand” kind of journalist crap is a way of avoiding the existential crimes of Zionism. You invaded, you stole the land. You are the guilty parties. Until you atone for these crimes, violent resistance will likely continue.

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  29. PS. When will you demand that the “entire right” condemn the Gaza Massacre, the Mavi Marmara massacre, or any of the hundreds of other Zionist massacres? Of course, you won’t. As I recall, Zionists were having gleeful picnics while the bombs fell on Gaza. You Israelis have become Nazis. Until you become South Africans, things will get worse. Where is the Israeli de Klerk?

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  31. Umm.
    Why is anyone in Israel required to condemn something like this? As if someone could approve of such a murder, regardless of “sides”? As if this person belonged to one of the “leftist” organizations or was supported by them in any way?

    Was the murder in any way their responsibility? Was it encouraged by them? Was there a “pulsa denura” by a leftist Muslim on the family?
    Making this condemnation only serves to make it seem so to those who do think that “smolanim” operate in collusion with terrorist groups. It is useless and even harmful.

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  33. Dimi
    I applau this article, but you might get kicked off the 972 magazine format for acknowledging that the residents of Itamar are human. No residents of Itamar have butchered a Palestinian family

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  35. Where is the evidence pointing to who the murderer is?

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  37. Dimi, a response is forthcoming. But I cannot help but write that this is one of the more execrable things you’ve ever written. “But killing innocent members of a civilian community in order to get the rest of the community to leave has one name and one name only in international law – ethnic cleansing. In fact, this is exactly the method used, to everlasting shame, by Israel to ethnically cleanse many of the Palestinian communities in the Nakba of 1948.”

    Killing a family of settlers is the same as Nakba. Imagine. I hope your English-reading fan-base enjoys this. You on the other hand have entered the abyss.

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  39. Such killings are about as consequential and efficacious as American Indians scalping white settlers on the frontier.

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  41. The condemnation of this horrific act is an easy but meaningless gesture. The real question is “why”? Certainly there is no way this horror can promote Palestinian aspirations, and Palestinians as well as Israelis know this. Franz Fanon and Richard Wright addressed this question over 50 years ago in Wretched of the Earth and Native Son. Black men in America grow up with a sense of powerlessness aggravated by the white society’s laws and actions preventing them from achieving little. “All those white men in a group with guns in their hands can’t be wrong. I am guilty.I don’t know of what, but i know i am no good.” The powerlessness and tension are relieved by acts of violence. Wrights character murder’s a white girl. He has taken his fate into his own hands, and his life is no longer controlled by others. He experiences a short period of relief, euphoria and power. Brutal violence and senseless killing is not justified by oppression. However, oppression will inevitably cause it.

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  43. Bravo Dimi and thank you .

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  45. Maybe God told him/her to do it? Seems to be a rational defence in that area.

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  47. Civilians are sacred (and that includes – of course residents of settlements)… this is a basic principle of the “activist left” They must not be attacked, harmed and certainly not targeted for murder:

    It is clear that condemnation is in order, (mine is implicit, explicit and constant) and clearly how can any person who has even the remotest connection to the value of human life and the innocence of children not condemn such vicious acts in the most visceral of ways? Yet at the same time I do not see clearly the connection to Dimi’s pointing to the “activist left” for not condemning the act to the standards that Bibi or Avigdor demands. It is a Banal demand – listening to Bibi’s manipulations makes this clear. In effect he and Avigdor will eventually further blame the “activist left” for this. (Today the Government’s response is not reflection into its part in the violence, rather it is to announce more building of and in settlements – more institutional violence). Civilians are sacred… this is a basic principle of the activist left, which is totally lost in the cruel entanglement, interaction “conflict” of Palestinians and Israelis that is fueled and manipulated by the activist right. Israelis present in the OPT are there as vessels – cynically used, manipulated or (false) consciously found there. Most disturbing in this abominable equation is that the children are at least thrice victimized – intentionally placed in physical, metaphysical and ideological danger! So Please do not demand condemnations from the “activist left” in order to put a ‘v’ next to our names on the list of MEGANIM… The activist left, the left that cares about civilians, about children, about rights and humanity are in a constant state of condemnation of the most outrageous, disgusting and vile acts of misplaced humanity… We ask ourselves, I hope, how is that a human being can be possessed with the capability to do such direct hands on violence. At the same time (and this is not a but and nor is it a qualification) we ask how it is that a society can continue to allow such a sacrilege to continue.

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  49. Joe America-
    “As I recall, Zionists were having gleeful picnics while the bombs fell on Gaza”
    Um, as you recall? Were you here? Did you see any picnics? First of all it happened in December, one of the few months where it is actually cold here, so no, no one was having a picnic, be it for Gaza or any other reason. And the people of Israel were busy worrying about their own people in Ashkelon, Be’er Sheva, Sderot, and the many other cities that were being hit daily by Hamas’ rockets. We also mourn the loss of Palestinian civilians and call on their militaries time and time again to keep them out of harm’s way, while they in fact do the complete opposite.

    The problem with the “radical left” – besides the fact that its members have actually embraced that title – is that you never find fault with the Palestinian cause. The point of the article was that if you are anti-Zionist because of your steadfast defense of human rights, then you should be appalled at ALL violations of human rights and have the ability to admit when your “side” did something wrong. This man may have acted alone, he may not have had instructions from anyone, but his act caused celebrations in the Palestinian world- actual, documented celebrations- and that, if nothing else, should be condemned.

    As for the author- I understand we come from different views, but I think we can agree that if the roles were reversed, you would ask for more of a punishment than “looking into the eyes of the families of his victims at a truth and reconciliation committee years from now.” It’s nice you mention maybe a jail sentence should be thrown in too, but this animal should rot in prison for the rest of his life. Ask yourself what kind of sentence would a massacre of five family members result in in America?

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  51. Cheryl – Joe America is a hater and I wish his comment had not been published. However, he is correct about one thing: I did see some Israelis celebrating while watching the army and air force bomb Gaza during Cast Lead. And I was there.

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  53. I’m curious why only this massacre elicits such reactions. It’s not like it’s the first or even like it’s been a long long time before the last such event. The Palestinian cause has always involved exterminationism, and attacks like this are not an isolated event (as Cheryl seems to imply – I’m sorry if I’m misreading you), but the main method, constant from the start of the conflict.
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    The far Left has excused and lied about all of this, often blaming the victims. It’s suggested policies hamper or prevent any effective response, and quite often reward the perpetrators. There’s there no reason Dimi should be surprised by this (or by Gurevitz’s blog, which I suspect was the impetus for this. G. has simply traded his ignorant fanatic upbringing with a different ignorant and fanatic ideal), so again, I’m rather surprised why he starts talking about this now.

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  55. Funny how the al-aqsa brigade is the military arm of fatah and fatah is actually the PLO and wait for it the PA is the PLO re-branded.

    Compared to me on the right Dimi is extreme left and while I don’t agree with everything that he wrote because its too progressive to liberal and somewhat apologetic like calling a terrorist and murderer a militant. His points are well thought out and poignant. I am glad that he is willing to step up and say “hey we need to condemn this in the strongest way just as we condemn violence on the part of Israel”. And I already hear the terrorist justification “they are not civilians all Israelis are combatants whether past present or future” ergo that makes them valid targets. By the way that is not something I made up.
    For all the boohaa made of “settler price tags” they are not cold blooded murderers, destructive? sure, anarchists? maybe, but no less then some on the extreme left who even have a group called anarchists against the wall.
    Dimi though I disagree with you I respect you for standing up and having the will to be critical and point out a double standard and I am sorry that others from the so called peace camp are so disgusting that they only know how to spew hate and anger at Israel no matter what we do.
    Regardless of Bibi and his politics and policy’s and the far lefts natural aversion to anything seemingly right. Most of the current policies are not new but rather a continuation of the policies started by previous governments including labor and kadima.

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  57. Why don’t the settlers opt for L.A.? Or Melbourne? Chicago? even Berlin?
    Ziotopias all. And absolute safety.
    But of course they would have to pay the going market price.

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  59. Thanks, Dimi, for your courageous thoughts and outrage. It is much needed. At the same time, I feel you didn’t really examine very much WHY many leftists downplay such terrible violence. I think almost no one – except Zen masters – doesn’t demonize someone. ESPECIALLY when passionate belief is involved (whether it’s Left activists or Right settlers), it is the rare human who doesn’t demonize the “other”, to help fuel their activism.

    Zen has a concept of “passionless passion” – sort of a paradox to aspire to – the hardest thing is to feel absolutely passionate about something (from justice, to the messianic stream of the Jewish religion, to a sexual crush), and not to feel “attached” to it, burning the dirty fuel that creates “karma” (effects like demonizing someone, or creating hatred from the “other side”).

    So yes, let’s challenge activists to develop passionless passion. Let’s grieve for the Itamar victims of terrible violence. Let’s resist the temptation, in the same breath, to go right to, “But yes they were putting their lives at risk because they were settlers, etc etc”. But then after the pause, let’s put it back into context, and not forget the bigger picture (of the history of Itamar, the 44 yr Occupation itself, etc.) that helped fuel the desire for violence from the perpetrator in the first place.

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  61. Kubbeh, Borg: Your comments re: +972 reflect an unfortunate mis-impression of who we are as human beings and as writers, probably based on a failure to actually read or genuinely consider our blog. I stand behind every single word Dimi’s written, would happily sign my name to them too. While I won’t speak for my colleagues, I have no doubt about any one of them, because we respect the sanctity of all human lives. Period. Hard to imagine what’s unclear about that.

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  63. Of course the killing of children is unacceptable (and in fact all killing).

    Still something is wrong here. The residents of Itamar are obviously no saints. Harassing Palestinian villages and stealing olives seems to be the norm. They might not kill but they are clearly part of the ethnic cleansing machine.

    The conclusion must be that both the murder and the existence of the Itamar settlement are horrific crimes that deserve being condemned. Of course they do not negate each other.

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  66. DIRECTROB-
    I see you are a believer in collective guilt. You, of course, don’t know if ANY people from Itamar were ever involved in supposedly “harrassing Palestinian villages” and “stealing Arab olives”. You accept it as an urban legend that they must be guilty because “all the Leftist bloggers say so”, so they, in some way “have it coming”. Tell me, are the Arabs also collectively guilty for this crime as well, added to all the suicide bombers who killed or wounded THOUSANDS of Israelis on the “good side” of the Green Line?

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  68. If Joe America is who I think he is, he’s a hurt(er) more than a hater. Palestinians living abroad with families here might have reason to scream. They can no longer even come visit them. Screaming is not killing.

    My first reaction when I saw Dimi’s “must condemn” line was to feel offended. Why would people on the left not be as appalled as everyone else by the savage murders? Why does a leftist who preaches and believes heart and soul in non-violent resistance – is willing to put his or her life on the line to uphold that principle – have to make noisy statements condemning the slaughter of civilians while others are permitted the luxury of initial shocked silence?

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  70. Hurray! Yossi agrees with me!

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  72. add another update, as Jewish Voice for Peace has also condemned the killings.
    http://www.facebook.com/notes/jewish-voice-for-peace/jewish-voice-for-peace-condemns-murder-of-family-in-itamar-settlement-in-west-ba/10150113170153492

    also: is it confirmed officially that it was a palestinian terrorist? was someone arrested? i don’t mean to be “that guy,” and i obviously think this is a horrible thing, and my heart goes out to the victims’ family.

    lastly, i cannot believe bibi has found the one way to start shifting my feelings from sympathy and rakmanut to anger.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-approves-500-new-homes-in-west-bank-settlements-in-response-to-itamar-attack-1.348864

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  74. Shaul, how dare you say such a line: “Not even one settler from Itamar or any other settlement ever lost a heartbeat over a Palestinian child or infant”.
    You couldn’t have proved yourself a greater idiot. Know many settlers, do you? Know how they feel when a child–ANY child–is lost in a senseless murder? MONSTERS murder children…animals don’t even act in that way.
    Don’t begin to evaluate how people you don’t know feel when a child is murdered. The murder of children is NEVER acceptable, and ALWAYS the most miserable of acts. Shame on you. Shame on you for grouping a whole group of people together, making such untrue, horrific statements about the settlers. SO incorrect and showing your complete idiocy. CHILDREN were murdered, in cold blood, in their sleep. They were guilty of NOTHING. They did not choose where to live, nor were they involved in any territorial or political issues surrounding their hometown. The fact that YOU can respond to such an atrocity with your untrue, stupid remarks demonstrates YOUR lack of “heartbeat”.
    May God avenge them.

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  76. Politics aside, if anyone wants to help the members of the Fogel family left behind please support One Family UK Israel Terror Attack – Your Help Urgently Needed http://eepurl.com/cYBXY

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  78. Well, I am a “settler” and “right-wing”, but HARDLY a “lunatic”. It is a breath of fresh air to see this article and that not everyone left of center is a bigot like Shaul.

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  80. [...] strange call for denunciation: My colleage, Dimi Reider, wrote a sensitive post, calling upon leftist activists to denounce the massacre in Itamar. A list of lefting organizations [...]

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  82. Excellent, Dimi.

    BTW, is BDS a leftist organization? And if so, have its members condemned the murder?

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  84. 1: Should we be happy that someone is writing an article against the murder of children? I would think that that is a pretty obvious position. and if this is what his fellow activists are saying, or being silent, does this not make him reconsider being on that side in the first place?

    2: The second-to-last paragraph of this vile article is truly disturbing, and shows how people like him think: the author truly believes that people who slaughter children should be “punished” by “looking into the eyes of the families of his victims” (the idea that people who butcher children will most certainly realize that they’re wrong by “looking into the eyes of the families”, well,that level of naivete regarding evil is exclusive to the Left.) and should be “rehabilitated” by “serving a LENGTHY prison term.” (emphasis mine)

    A few hours after this family was butchered and the author is already speaking of letting the terrorist out of prison! (and a life sentence or the death penalty is apparently unimaginable to him)

    3. The fact that the author speaks of letting this terrorist out of prison (within hours of the murders!) makes crystal clear something which has been obvious for years: The Left does not hate evil.

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  86. “international law …clearly bans targeting the occupier’s civilian population.” For most of us, it is obvious that killing children is wrong. A Leftist must cite international law to prove it! Until this moment, I dont think any of us undertood just how deep is this strange Leftist worship of “Law” (rather than right or wrong)until this moment. And if the UN tomorrow said it was ok to kill the children of the residents of Judea and Samaria, I presume Dhimmi would have a hard time explaining why that is wrong.

    “Law is a man-made series of rules. That is all it is. In and of itself, law is entirely amoral. There are moral laws and immoral laws. Both decent and vicious governments make laws. The Holocaust began legally. Nazis and communists had judges and lawyers who respected their societies’ laws. In our country,[USA] slavery was entirely legal, as was the racial segregation that followed it. The notion that obedience to a society’s laws is always moral is itself immoral.” – Dennis Prager

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  88. However much I (or we) loathe the violent, racist settler movement, I have to agree with Dimi Reider. The murder of innocents — especially children — is inexcusable. There is no justification for it of any kind that I can conceive.

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  90. Dimi, how can someone who professes to be a journalist throw in so many assumptions into one opening paragraph? “Palestinian militant” – there is so far no evidence that this was perpetrated by a Palestinian – none. While the recent escalation in tensions between Palestinians and settlers in Nablus does give reason to suspect Palestinians, suspicions aren’t fact. Further, have you been to Itamar settlement? Do you have any idea how heavily guarded this place is, and for sure more so since the recent escalation. It is very difficult to imagine a Palestinian getting in and out like that. And if the alarm on the fence was set off, as Israeli reports claim, the IDF would have been called and it would, indeed, have raised an alarm. but this is beside the point. The point is, Dimi, that to unquestionably appoint an ethnicity to an attacker without any evidence at all, is racist. It echoes the rabbis’ comments at the settlers’ funeral, that Jews don’t murder, only Arab animals do. Which frankly dehumanizes both sides, albeit in different ways.
    Less monstrous assumptions you make: that the attacker was alone, and that it was a man.
    Again, my point is not to suggest it was a woman, or that there was a group. Rather, I urge you to focus less on story-telling and more on the established facts.
    Perhaps those you accuse of silence are simply waiting for more information to form a balanced, informed position.
    Of course this tragic event provokes an emotional response, but as events across the West Bank over the last two days prove, the repercussions of these accusations have tragic consequences, although I doubt these affect you in Tel Aviv.
    I realize there is an instinct to politicize everything amongst activists from both sides, but that the possibility that this was a criminal attack rather than a terrorist one must surely be acknowledged, at least until there is a shred of evidence otherwise?
    Personally. I find the instant politicization of this family’s tragedy pretty gross. Particularly the use of this horrific crime to push through 500 new houses before the bodies were even cold.

    Lucy

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  92. These policies created the circumstances for committing these heinous actions…. this isnt really a denunciation by Palestinian Popular Committees Against the Wall and Israeli Settlements, rather a justification of the murders. Hamas probably said the same thing. Sorry, not everyone on the left thinks the murders were bad

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  94. Ben Israel. Itamar is not the most silent community on the web. No need to rely on NGO’s or leftist bloggers for an informed opinion.

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  96. Very well written article that touched on some major points. While I may disagree with a few of your general points, I think you hit the nail on the head, and explained very clearly how violence needs to be condemned and abandoned by all sides.

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