65 comments for ”The activist Left must condemn the murder of the Itamar family“

    
  1. Misha, what are they talking about? That Israeli criminals traveled to Itamar, murder five and escaped – this all, to steal 2 rifles? They could easily buy it from some settlers (there were cases and BTW these petty arm dealers where not stripped of Israeli citizenship, the threat Eli Yishai keeps for Arabs only)

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  3. Anyone who cannot put their political differences aside for the week of this horrific shiva period needs real help. Get it soon and leave the rest of us alone. Kindly stop spewing your views and let the family that is mourning have a break.I find it weird to be counting what group said what and that the word “pleased” is used when someone on the left condemns the terror attack. Aren’t we all horrified by this?
    Does everything have to be seen as political?
    Can you not stop for a moment and forget your affiliation and just say “THIS MUST STOP”. Just because we are humans and it is shocking no matter who you are.If you can’t…well you have a much bigger problem than you realize.Do something about it and take a good long look in the mirror. May G-d comfort the families and friends and all of Am Yisroel.

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  5. Just a brief comment on why some organizations and groups may not be condemning this act publicly. Obviously this attack was horrific and should be condemned without reservation. However, given that there is no question about the illegality and unacceptability of this act what purpose does a public statement serve other than to placate the right wing actors who accuse those on the left of being responsible for these acts? The reason that we all highlight and call for accountability after Palestinians are killed is that if we do not do this nobody else will. The establishment will sweep Palestinian deaths under the rug and will not investigate them. Even if it does investigate them it is unlikely that those responsible for Palestinian deaths will be held to account for their actions. Given this situation it is our responsibility to give Palestinian victims a face and a name so that they are not ignored and forgotten. We have to make a statement to ensure that justice can be done (even if it isn’t). Public statement condemning actions are made for the purpose of spurring action. Given that everyone recognizes the illegality and immorality of this act, what action will our calls spur? What purpose will they serve other than to perhaps highlight the way in which Palestinian and Israeli lives continue to be valued differently.

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  7. Thank you for posting this. Our (you and I) points of view no doubt could not be more opposite on most everything else. However I feel it necessary to compliment you on your truthfulness and conviction to see fairness and objectivity maintained. As for some sort of vigil, as a member of the right and a supporter of the “settlers’ I would implore you to limit your protests to the innocent murder of civilians. While I wholeheartedly embrace our claim to all the land presently in our hands, I would just as equally abhor the idea that any Jew would stealthily enter the house of an Arab and kill a child with such brutality. I would add that while it’s encouraging that several left-wing groups have spoken up, noticeably absent is shalom achshav as well as some of the other better known organizations. Has Jstreet issued an official statement?

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  10. Dimi, I really appreciate your noble and humane approach. But I want to be honest. After a friend of mine, a brilliant young man from a peace activists’ family – David Damelin – was killed, along other reservists, near Ofra settlement, I fail to find any trace of sympathy to these people in my heart. As simple as that.
    I also read revelations of the friends of the slain Imas family – of how they see Israel’s future. Absolutely disgusting. One state, apartheid theocracy.
    David was deliberating between entering the military prison for refusal to serve in the Territories, and fulfilling his reserve duty, but finally opted for the latter, because he was a youth educator and knew that the occupation is not the only function of the IDF.

    Of course, I feel pity for the murdered kids. But those people – no, I don’t say “Let all religious extremists die” – but I do not really care.

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  12. You’re beginning to understand why the rest of the country left the Left.

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  14. But David Damelin was killed by a Palestinian terrorist/sniper.

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  16. Huh, Dimi, you demonize Israel every single day along the same lines as the lunatics in Iran and Hamas and then you cry crocodile tears for the victims in Itamar?

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  18. are there any circumstances at all, in which violence should be used to address a cruel, ongoing injustice? The German Lutheran pastor and theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer believed that the answer is yes. http://bit.ly/ehaAz0

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  20. DANNY DUNN, David was killed while guarding settlers of Ofra. Why this and many other similar deaths?

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  22. I see no point in this article other than to pander to the very same forces that do everything they can, use any weapon in their arsenal (political and military) to assure that more and more Palestinians are left with nothing to live for other than revenge.
    Whats the use of unleashing your righteous fury on the small, dedicated but relatively weak ‘activist left’ in Israel? chastising that there weren’t enough condemnations from that side? condemnation of whom? The Palestinian political movement? Palestinian society? Palestinian rage? Are they really the correct target of condemnation?
    This was an act of murder. Acts of murder are not uncommon in Israel, even grizzly ones where entire families get wiped out! What’s there to condemn?
    But lets get back to the point assuming a vengeful Palestinian has commuted the act. This criminal act pales in comparison to sanctioned acts of the “most moral army in the world” but those acts are treated simply as a source of journalistic gold mine. Its important to report but to make such outrageous distinction for this case is extremely dubious.
    I refuse to condemn Palestinian political movement and I say so proudly. I condemn continual Israeli land grab and atrocities for this act of murder, provided that it was indeed an act of seething revenge by Palestinian person/s.

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  24. I find this whole article ridiculous as I find Michael T’s comments disgraceful what a morally inverted world that individual must inhabit – building homes on disputed land entitles/justifies the decapitation of a 3 month old baby? I also see Peace Now feels complelled to put an advert in the Jerusalem Post. Why? I am sorry to say it is a guilty conscience. Guilty because the left have demonised the settler community to such an extent that the murder of five Jews hardly caused a ripple in the Western media – one only has to see the abysmal coverage by the BBC and CNN and the total absence of any coverage by Sky. You may claim Jews have no right to settle in Judea and Samaria and campaign against it but you have no right to demonise the people who live there which clearly leads to acts such as this in the same way that you claim that incitement by Nationalistic rabbis leads to assaults on Palestinians.
    So far as the settlements are concerned the core legal issue, according to Michael Newton, Professor of Law at Vanderbilt University and a leading expert in the field, is which nation-state had full sovereignty in this territory when Israel took military and political control.
    Logically, since Jordan renounced its claim to Judea and Samaria in 1988, and signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994, recognizing its current border, the only other possible valid legal claim, defined in the Mandate, is that of Israel; Palestinians have no claim because the area was never a Palestinian state.
    Whether Israeli settlements are “unacceptable” and “unhelpful” is debatable. ICRC and kangaroo court rulings against Israel, like those of the International Court of Justice, however, have no basis in proper judicial procedures. They serve only to demonize and delegitimize Israel and the Jews living in the settlements, abrogate the meaning of just law and lead to horrendous acts such as this.

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  26. It is successive governments that permitted, encouraged, incited, manipulated, protected, covered for and idolized the settlers that are the guilty ones, not the settlers. An individual is allowed to be delusional, it’s not a crime. That the government uses such people as a weapon to procure for them what it has no right to – using any and every of the considerable means at its disposal to so, no matter how underhand or cruel – that is the crime.

    The settlers are Israelis and have the same right to sympathy in face of personal tragedy as any of the rest of us. If the army wasn’t out there protecting their activities where they shouldn’t be, they’d be home. If they were home, no-one would feel they have to make flamboyant declarations of a kind that they didn’t make when three children were murdered by their own father a few months ago, or after the horrific deaths of the Oshrenko family, or the lynching of the man out with his wife and daughter on Tel Baruch beach. Or the Park Hotel bombing for that matter. Appalled? Shocked? Certainly we were. But immediate official statement? Why? Did Im Tirzu make an official statement about the slaughter in Itamar last Saturday?

    And did the statements from the left deflect the predictable reaction from the right? Not a bit of it.
    http://www.forward.com/articles/136249/

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