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		<title>By: Curiouser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curiouser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the one question I haven&#039;t seen anyone yet ask: How could he be buried in a Jewish cemetery if he committed suicide?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the one question I haven&#8217;t seen anyone yet ask: How could he be buried in a Jewish cemetery if he committed suicide?!?</p>
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		<title>By: aristeides</title>
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		<dc:creator>aristeides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, you&#039;re right, but the timing does suggest that line of speculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, you&#8217;re right, but the timing does suggest that line of speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 03:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aristeides I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much mileage in guessing what Zygier was up to, as not only is it an - albeit cautious - guess, but there&#039;s no way of checking the validity of that guess.  One thing I think that&#039;s important though is understanding what work &#039;spies&#039; and their controlling agencies actually do.  

Any external security agency would  avoid using it&#039;s own native born nationals on physically risky operations as it&#039;s just common sense: you don&#039;t want to risk &#039;your people&#039;. They&#039;ve years of expensive training and heads full of knowledge that you&#039;d rather not be shared.  

Going to foreign countries to carry out operations where there&#039;s a high chance of being caught would normally be delegated to sympathetic local groups - unless there&#039;s no alternative.  It&#039;s a matter of human resources in the main.

The assassination of Iranian  nuclear scientists was most likely carried out by local people who may or may not have known who they&#039;re working for. Conversely the Dubai murder must have been a matter of taking an opportunity as it arose, and in the process curtailing the careers of a dozen or so Israeli Mossad agents, courtesy of CCTV.

Zygier&#039;s tragic case is interesting in that he had dual nationality. Mossad would likely be making use of this and his ability to run a seemingly legitimate business.  Whilst many foreign governments were non too pleased about the use of their passports in the Dubai case, this wouldn&#039;t have been enough to keep an Israeli citizen incommunicado and without proper legal representation.  

The vast majority of &#039;spy&#039; work for actual national security agency employees involves the mundane: sitting behind a computer or sitting behind a the desk of a private company.  I&#039;d think Zygier was more being paid by Mossad to do a task, rather than working as an agent in the way members of the Dubai team were.  

I&#039;d say Zygier&#039;s role would have been more akin to a paid police informant rather than an actual police officer.  That would make him much more dispensable.  

Still, it says little about what job Mossad had tasked him to do, though it does give an idea of how he could be locked up so easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aristeides I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much mileage in guessing what Zygier was up to, as not only is it an &#8211; albeit cautious &#8211; guess, but there&#8217;s no way of checking the validity of that guess.  One thing I think that&#8217;s important though is understanding what work &#8216;spies&#8217; and their controlling agencies actually do.  </p>
<p>Any external security agency would  avoid using it&#8217;s own native born nationals on physically risky operations as it&#8217;s just common sense: you don&#8217;t want to risk &#8216;your people&#8217;. They&#8217;ve years of expensive training and heads full of knowledge that you&#8217;d rather not be shared.  </p>
<p>Going to foreign countries to carry out operations where there&#8217;s a high chance of being caught would normally be delegated to sympathetic local groups &#8211; unless there&#8217;s no alternative.  It&#8217;s a matter of human resources in the main.</p>
<p>The assassination of Iranian  nuclear scientists was most likely carried out by local people who may or may not have known who they&#8217;re working for. Conversely the Dubai murder must have been a matter of taking an opportunity as it arose, and in the process curtailing the careers of a dozen or so Israeli Mossad agents, courtesy of CCTV.</p>
<p>Zygier&#8217;s tragic case is interesting in that he had dual nationality. Mossad would likely be making use of this and his ability to run a seemingly legitimate business.  Whilst many foreign governments were non too pleased about the use of their passports in the Dubai case, this wouldn&#8217;t have been enough to keep an Israeli citizen incommunicado and without proper legal representation.  </p>
<p>The vast majority of &#8216;spy&#8217; work for actual national security agency employees involves the mundane: sitting behind a computer or sitting behind a the desk of a private company.  I&#8217;d think Zygier was more being paid by Mossad to do a task, rather than working as an agent in the way members of the Dubai team were.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say Zygier&#8217;s role would have been more akin to a paid police informant rather than an actual police officer.  That would make him much more dispensable.  </p>
<p>Still, it says little about what job Mossad had tasked him to do, though it does give an idea of how he could be locked up so easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Danaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have more questions to do with the families  - why all the tip-toeing around the families by left writers? why was Ben&#039;s body shipped to Australia rather than buried in Israel? why the complete silence from his his israeli family? I&#039;d assume they are upset, but for over 2 years to have kept this quiet! and not just them - what of all the friends the one called Benjy had? there must have been quite a few! 

So one mystery may have been sold - see headline in Haaretz: his family was promised millions of shekels in compensation and the agreement was &quot;signed&quot; 6 weeks ago? so their silence has been bought? that&#039;s it? get paid and move on? does it look to anyone else like a bribe? am I supposed to be sympathetic?

And what of the Australian family? how much are they going to get paid to make up for the &quot;pain and suffering&quot;? are they going to be paid? will the Jewish community in Australia, now totally under a cloud of &quot;dual loyalty&quot; be compensated? would a few millions be enough to &quot;lift the cloud&quot;?

in case anyone doubts there&#039;s a cloud - what would YOU think if you meet a young-ish Australian or new Zelander or English person who immigrated to israel? say someone who is not particularly orthodox? would you perhaps exercise just a bit of caution dealing with them?

And how much is an Australian passport worth anyways? perhaps it might have lost some of its luster? 

Sorry, but it&#039;s very very hard not to be a bit cynical about the entire affair, and its implications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have more questions to do with the families  &#8211; why all the tip-toeing around the families by left writers? why was Ben&#8217;s body shipped to Australia rather than buried in Israel? why the complete silence from his his israeli family? I&#8217;d assume they are upset, but for over 2 years to have kept this quiet! and not just them &#8211; what of all the friends the one called Benjy had? there must have been quite a few! </p>
<p>So one mystery may have been sold &#8211; see headline in Haaretz: his family was promised millions of shekels in compensation and the agreement was &#8220;signed&#8221; 6 weeks ago? so their silence has been bought? that&#8217;s it? get paid and move on? does it look to anyone else like a bribe? am I supposed to be sympathetic?</p>
<p>And what of the Australian family? how much are they going to get paid to make up for the &#8220;pain and suffering&#8221;? are they going to be paid? will the Jewish community in Australia, now totally under a cloud of &#8220;dual loyalty&#8221; be compensated? would a few millions be enough to &#8220;lift the cloud&#8221;?</p>
<p>in case anyone doubts there&#8217;s a cloud &#8211; what would YOU think if you meet a young-ish Australian or new Zelander or English person who immigrated to israel? say someone who is not particularly orthodox? would you perhaps exercise just a bit of caution dealing with them?</p>
<p>And how much is an Australian passport worth anyways? perhaps it might have lost some of its luster? </p>
<p>Sorry, but it&#8217;s very very hard not to be a bit cynical about the entire affair, and its implications.</p>
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		<title>By: Danaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, you say: &quot;various lefty types on the various social media have urged people to leave them alone, citing information that they can’t reveal which says that there’s much more to the story than ‘just’ Zionist parents ashamed at their child’s conduct or preferencing loyalty to Israel above familial concerns.&quot;.

There are indications that things could be much much worse in Australia, as far as the cover-up of this case goes. And there was cover-up in Australia - information was squashed, and did not get passed on. ASIO may well have been told to &quot;back off&#039; its investigation. This is very serious business making the charge of dual loyalty&quot; hang like a sword over the entire Jewish community in Australia. there must have been very deep influence peddling, pressure on diplomatic and political channels and who knows what else to keep this case under wraps. just think - Ben Zeiger&#039;s father was at the head of one of the key Jewish Lobby organizations in Australia. To find that their son died under the circumstances he did - killed or driven to death by the so-called &quot;Jewish&quot; state (really more of a mafiosi vision of it) must be devastating. No wonder they went into seclusion. 

There is probably worry - not without reason - that this could expose a web of influence peddling among Australia&#039;s best connected and wealthiest jewish families that can only give a very bad name to the entire community - highly unfairly, since most Australian jewish people have no intention of becoming sayanim enablers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, you say: &#8220;various lefty types on the various social media have urged people to leave them alone, citing information that they can’t reveal which says that there’s much more to the story than ‘just’ Zionist parents ashamed at their child’s conduct or preferencing loyalty to Israel above familial concerns.&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are indications that things could be much much worse in Australia, as far as the cover-up of this case goes. And there was cover-up in Australia &#8211; information was squashed, and did not get passed on. ASIO may well have been told to &#8220;back off&#8217; its investigation. This is very serious business making the charge of dual loyalty&#8221; hang like a sword over the entire Jewish community in Australia. there must have been very deep influence peddling, pressure on diplomatic and political channels and who knows what else to keep this case under wraps. just think &#8211; Ben Zeiger&#8217;s father was at the head of one of the key Jewish Lobby organizations in Australia. To find that their son died under the circumstances he did &#8211; killed or driven to death by the so-called &#8220;Jewish&#8221; state (really more of a mafiosi vision of it) must be devastating. No wonder they went into seclusion. </p>
<p>There is probably worry &#8211; not without reason &#8211; that this could expose a web of influence peddling among Australia&#8217;s best connected and wealthiest jewish families that can only give a very bad name to the entire community &#8211; highly unfairly, since most Australian jewish people have no intention of becoming sayanim enablers.</p>
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		<title>By: aristeides</title>
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		<dc:creator>aristeides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m seeing strongly suggests he was involved in the Dubai assassination and said something implicating the use of Australian passports in that op.

So Israeli bloodthirstyness has led to the death of another Jew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m seeing strongly suggests he was involved in the Dubai assassination and said something implicating the use of Australian passports in that op.</p>
<p>So Israeli bloodthirstyness has led to the death of another Jew.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aint&#039; that the truth!!!! I think anyone who agrees to be a spy for ANY country accepts the fact that they are virtually on a suicide mission. There is a very high chance that either the country they are spying against will be on to them and then can you say &quot;Eli Cohen&quot; or that things will turn sour and the country they were supposed to be spying for will turn against them and leave them for dead - can you say &quot;Ben Zygier&quot;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aint&#8217; that the truth!!!! I think anyone who agrees to be a spy for ANY country accepts the fact that they are virtually on a suicide mission. There is a very high chance that either the country they are spying against will be on to them and then can you say &#8220;Eli Cohen&#8221; or that things will turn sour and the country they were supposed to be spying for will turn against them and leave them for dead &#8211; can you say &#8220;Ben Zygier&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lesson: don&#039;t ever engage in espionage for any country.  They&#039;ll only turn against you when things get sour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lesson: don&#8217;t ever engage in espionage for any country.  They&#8217;ll only turn against you when things get sour.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...ostensibly safe and accountable hands of a state...&quot;...&quot;state came round to clamp down on him as relentlessly and hermetically...&quot;  :  As in stories of the Mafia, once entered, no autonomous exit.  He must have tried to exit.  If an operative failure, his failure must have been inferred to have erradicated loyality as important as that to God.  If inferred a traitor--cells of a body are not very important, torture or suicide.


&quot;gag orders on new information mean I cannot even report the hints of rumours floating about, or to use them to counterbalance or challenge the picture I presented above&quot;  :  Security has no trump.  It makes the constitution.  You are secure because you are told you are.  Critical inquiry is an indulgence for children.  The Iran threat has come home to roost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;ostensibly safe and accountable hands of a state&#8230;&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;state came round to clamp down on him as relentlessly and hermetically&#8230;&#8221;  :  As in stories of the Mafia, once entered, no autonomous exit.  He must have tried to exit.  If an operative failure, his failure must have been inferred to have erradicated loyality as important as that to God.  If inferred a traitor&#8211;cells of a body are not very important, torture or suicide.</p>
<p>&#8220;gag orders on new information mean I cannot even report the hints of rumours floating about, or to use them to counterbalance or challenge the picture I presented above&#8221;  :  Security has no trump.  It makes the constitution.  You are secure because you are told you are.  Critical inquiry is an indulgence for children.  The Iran threat has come home to roost.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel (like other pretty much all other countries) runs these sorts of undercover ops, and so the risk of false flag stuff is real and must be more commun than just this one man. So why all the secrecy surrounding this one in particular? Just doesn&#039;t make sense.
His family have refused to talk to the media - and various lefty types on the various social media have urged people to leave them alone, citing information that they can&#039;t reveal which says that there&#039;s much more to the story than &#039;just&#039; Zionist parents ashamed at their child&#039;s conduct or preferencing loyalty to Israel above familial concerns. 
The whole thing just doesn&#039;t make sense, if this isn&#039;t a special case of some sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel (like other pretty much all other countries) runs these sorts of undercover ops, and so the risk of false flag stuff is real and must be more commun than just this one man. So why all the secrecy surrounding this one in particular? Just doesn&#8217;t make sense.<br />
His family have refused to talk to the media &#8211; and various lefty types on the various social media have urged people to leave them alone, citing information that they can&#8217;t reveal which says that there&#8217;s much more to the story than &#8216;just&#8217; Zionist parents ashamed at their child&#8217;s conduct or preferencing loyalty to Israel above familial concerns.<br />
The whole thing just doesn&#8217;t make sense, if this isn&#8217;t a special case of some sort.</p>
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