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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insanity, thy name is religion.  What a bunch of bull puckey from all sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insanity, thy name is religion.  What a bunch of bull puckey from all sides.</p>
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		<title>By: John Yorke</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Yorke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John,

Do to others as you would have them do to you” (Luke 6:27-28,31) &#039;

This is certainly a positive approach to take in any aspect of life. Indeed, it is the basis of most, if not all religions. But, when such a belief is tested by events, there can be times when it is difficult to know exactly how to apply such a concept in the circumstances that have arisen.  

What would the Israelis and the Palestinians want us to do for them? What is their
expectation of us and is it something we would welcome if the situation were reversed; if we were them and they were us?

They need our help; that much is obvious. But how is it we can help them?

Providing real assistance in this matter is not as straightforward as might first be imagined; sixty four years of continuous conflict and struggle have already demonstrated that much. Although we have offered advice and sought to resolve the various issues by diplomatic, financial and a string of other methods, none of these have prevailed and the delay in finding an acceptable solution has only contributed to a crisis that becomes ever deeper by the day.

Helping to extricate people from a position to which they themselves have grown accustomed over the years is sometimes a tricky business. They may not like the situation in which they find themselves but, being only human, they soon come to resent all external attempts at rescuing them from their somewhat self-imposed predicament. Therein lies the problem.

It seems we must take such reticence into account and proceed in such a manner that those rescued have a vital and indispensable part to play in their own salvation. To do otherwise is to insult them and render whatever assistance we might give much less than it could be. 

Http://yorketowers.blogspot.com

Sometimes the answer can be so simple that it fails to register with any of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John,</p>
<p>Do to others as you would have them do to you” (Luke 6:27-28,31) &#8216;</p>
<p>This is certainly a positive approach to take in any aspect of life. Indeed, it is the basis of most, if not all religions. But, when such a belief is tested by events, there can be times when it is difficult to know exactly how to apply such a concept in the circumstances that have arisen.  </p>
<p>What would the Israelis and the Palestinians want us to do for them? What is their<br />
expectation of us and is it something we would welcome if the situation were reversed; if we were them and they were us?</p>
<p>They need our help; that much is obvious. But how is it we can help them?</p>
<p>Providing real assistance in this matter is not as straightforward as might first be imagined; sixty four years of continuous conflict and struggle have already demonstrated that much. Although we have offered advice and sought to resolve the various issues by diplomatic, financial and a string of other methods, none of these have prevailed and the delay in finding an acceptable solution has only contributed to a crisis that becomes ever deeper by the day.</p>
<p>Helping to extricate people from a position to which they themselves have grown accustomed over the years is sometimes a tricky business. They may not like the situation in which they find themselves but, being only human, they soon come to resent all external attempts at rescuing them from their somewhat self-imposed predicament. Therein lies the problem.</p>
<p>It seems we must take such reticence into account and proceed in such a manner that those rescued have a vital and indispensable part to play in their own salvation. To do otherwise is to insult them and render whatever assistance we might give much less than it could be. </p>
<p>Http://yorketowers.blogspot.com</p>
<p>Sometimes the answer can be so simple that it fails to register with any of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JOHN - I bet you&#039;re going to respond with more evasive nice guy pastor stuff. Not fooling anyone buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JOHN &#8211; I bet you&#8217;re going to respond with more evasive nice guy pastor stuff. Not fooling anyone buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazzy</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/price-tag-attack-on-jerusalem-church-provokes-religious-condemnation/36011/comment-page-1/#comment-44924</link>
		<dc:creator>Jazzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JOHN - you&#039;re still appealing to Christianity (&quot;disciples of Jesus&quot;), which is fine, if you acknowledge it. But you originally denied it. So, ok, whatever, stand by your plea - but your argument is religious. Don&#039;t lie about that. And don&#039;t play games or pretend that our argument was about something other than the religious character of your views. Someone who went to Brown and Georgetown isn&#039;t that stupid. You&#039;re obviously not interested in honestly addressing what I said. Not a respectful thing to do. I guess I shouldn&#039;t be surprised that a Sabeel member, who patronizes Jews with Jesus quotes while his colleagues spew antisemitic venom doesn&#039;t respect Jews. So how about you take your deceitful, hateful, antisemitic Christian crap and stay the hell out of Israel. Everyone understands what you&#039;re there to do, and its not to make peace. The only people who don&#039;t think you&#039;re not a loathsome hypocrite with your preachy nonsense are the members of your cult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JOHN &#8211; you&#8217;re still appealing to Christianity (&#8220;disciples of Jesus&#8221;), which is fine, if you acknowledge it. But you originally denied it. So, ok, whatever, stand by your plea &#8211; but your argument is religious. Don&#8217;t lie about that. And don&#8217;t play games or pretend that our argument was about something other than the religious character of your views. Someone who went to Brown and Georgetown isn&#8217;t that stupid. You&#8217;re obviously not interested in honestly addressing what I said. Not a respectful thing to do. I guess I shouldn&#8217;t be surprised that a Sabeel member, who patronizes Jews with Jesus quotes while his colleagues spew antisemitic venom doesn&#8217;t respect Jews. So how about you take your deceitful, hateful, antisemitic Christian crap and stay the hell out of Israel. Everyone understands what you&#8217;re there to do, and its not to make peace. The only people who don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re not a loathsome hypocrite with your preachy nonsense are the members of your cult.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moyle</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/price-tag-attack-on-jerusalem-church-provokes-religious-condemnation/36011/comment-page-1/#comment-44916</link>
		<dc:creator>John Moyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JAZZY - I stand by my plea that I stated above. &quot;I encourage ALL of my Christian brothers and sisters to allow the life, teachings, and way of the one that we claim to follow to be the example for our lives and our own witness. It’s what it means to be a disciple.&quot; There is no &quot;double-talk&quot; here. &quot;All&quot; means &quot;all.&quot; My words are addressed to ALL disciples of Jesus no matter what our doctrines and theologies are. If we do not reflect the love of Jesus through our words, actions, ministries, and, yes, our decisions to whom we give our monies, then we need to reexamine and modify our theologies, doctrines, and other beliefs that may be causing us to tarnish our witness of Jesus to the world. No more, no less ... Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JAZZY &#8211; I stand by my plea that I stated above. &#8220;I encourage ALL of my Christian brothers and sisters to allow the life, teachings, and way of the one that we claim to follow to be the example for our lives and our own witness. It’s what it means to be a disciple.&#8221; There is no &#8220;double-talk&#8221; here. &#8220;All&#8221; means &#8220;all.&#8221; My words are addressed to ALL disciples of Jesus no matter what our doctrines and theologies are. If we do not reflect the love of Jesus through our words, actions, ministries, and, yes, our decisions to whom we give our monies, then we need to reexamine and modify our theologies, doctrines, and other beliefs that may be causing us to tarnish our witness of Jesus to the world. No more, no less &#8230; Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: John Yorke</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/price-tag-attack-on-jerusalem-church-provokes-religious-condemnation/36011/comment-page-1/#comment-44875</link>
		<dc:creator>John Yorke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a very old saying; &#039;God helps those who help themselves.&#039;

Are we helping the overall position here by thinking that relatively minor incidents such as this will soon be forgotten and can thus be safely ignored for the time being? Do they represent so small a concern that pursuing them with any great fervour or diligence seems hardly worth the effort? 

This may, indeed, be the case but, as echoes of the larger problems dominating this region, these petty crimes are not without significance. Although they appear to be of far less magnitude than  many other matters, they nevertheless convey a broader message; that of the inability of so volatile a mixture of religion, politics and national obsession to coexist within this pressure cooker of such huge racial and cultural diversity.

Unless the &#039;small&#039; stuff can be addressed in much the same manner as with the larger issues, this constant interplay of violent behaviour demonstrates just how difficult it will be to contain a situation that could already be well beyond the limits of retrieval. 

It will therefore require the installation of a program that can cast its net far and wide, one that&#039;s quite able to haul in the bigger fish and yet still retain the capacity to tackle the smaller fry as well.  

Http://yorketowers.blogspot.com

Maybe, where this business is concerned, we do have to start helping ourselves. 
And that we can do by enlisting the most unlikeliest help of all; that of the business itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a very old saying; &#8216;God helps those who help themselves.&#8217;</p>
<p>Are we helping the overall position here by thinking that relatively minor incidents such as this will soon be forgotten and can thus be safely ignored for the time being? Do they represent so small a concern that pursuing them with any great fervour or diligence seems hardly worth the effort? </p>
<p>This may, indeed, be the case but, as echoes of the larger problems dominating this region, these petty crimes are not without significance. Although they appear to be of far less magnitude than  many other matters, they nevertheless convey a broader message; that of the inability of so volatile a mixture of religion, politics and national obsession to coexist within this pressure cooker of such huge racial and cultural diversity.</p>
<p>Unless the &#8216;small&#8217; stuff can be addressed in much the same manner as with the larger issues, this constant interplay of violent behaviour demonstrates just how difficult it will be to contain a situation that could already be well beyond the limits of retrieval. </p>
<p>It will therefore require the installation of a program that can cast its net far and wide, one that&#8217;s quite able to haul in the bigger fish and yet still retain the capacity to tackle the smaller fry as well.  </p>
<p>Http://yorketowers.blogspot.com</p>
<p>Maybe, where this business is concerned, we do have to start helping ourselves.<br />
And that we can do by enlisting the most unlikeliest help of all; that of the business itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazzy</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/price-tag-attack-on-jerusalem-church-provokes-religious-condemnation/36011/comment-page-1/#comment-44782</link>
		<dc:creator>Jazzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JOHN - leaving appeals to Christianity out of the argument is not consistent with claiming that a specific Christian doctrine is &quot;faulty&quot; or quoting the Gospel of Luke. Your anti-Zionist Sabeel colleagues are old-fashioned Christian anti-semites. Any criticism for them? Or just more disingenuous double-talk? Please let&#039;s not play coy BDS word games, like Fady the Adalah mascot does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JOHN &#8211; leaving appeals to Christianity out of the argument is not consistent with claiming that a specific Christian doctrine is &#8220;faulty&#8221; or quoting the Gospel of Luke. Your anti-Zionist Sabeel colleagues are old-fashioned Christian anti-semites. Any criticism for them? Or just more disingenuous double-talk? Please let&#8217;s not play coy BDS word games, like Fady the Adalah mascot does.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moyle</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/price-tag-attack-on-jerusalem-church-provokes-religious-condemnation/36011/comment-page-1/#comment-44750</link>
		<dc:creator>John Moyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JAZZY - As a Christian pastor, I am completely comfortable in leaving appeals to Christianity entirely out of the argument.  It is faulty Christian doctrine that has led to the Christian Zionist phenomena in America in the first place.  However, I do believe that appeals to the one that I try to follow and point others towards - Jesus - are entirely appropriate in this context. Jesus taught us, &quot;Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.... Do to others as you would have them do to you&quot; (Luke 6:27-28,31). I encourage all of my Christian brothers and sisters to allow the life, teachings, and way of the one that we claim to follow to be the example for our lives and our own witness. It&#039;s what it means to be a disciple. And I ask my brothers and sisters of other faiths who may read this article to forgive us when we do not pattern our lives after Jesus, the one whose name we profess to take.  Please forgive us, for we so often know not what we do. Peace, shalom, and salaam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JAZZY &#8211; As a Christian pastor, I am completely comfortable in leaving appeals to Christianity entirely out of the argument.  It is faulty Christian doctrine that has led to the Christian Zionist phenomena in America in the first place.  However, I do believe that appeals to the one that I try to follow and point others towards &#8211; Jesus &#8211; are entirely appropriate in this context. Jesus taught us, &#8220;Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you&#8230;. Do to others as you would have them do to you&#8221; (Luke 6:27-28,31). I encourage all of my Christian brothers and sisters to allow the life, teachings, and way of the one that we claim to follow to be the example for our lives and our own witness. It&#8217;s what it means to be a disciple. And I ask my brothers and sisters of other faiths who may read this article to forgive us when we do not pattern our lives after Jesus, the one whose name we profess to take.  Please forgive us, for we so often know not what we do. Peace, shalom, and salaam.</p>
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		<title>By: Dregen Jelencovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dregen Jelencovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, would you ever shut up, you imbecile? 

Accept the fact, for crying out loud, that are hateful idiots amongst your number that need to be exposed and face the law of the land and receive swift and justifiable punishment. 

(p.s. Apologies to the writer of the article. I understand completely if you wish to delete this comment or alter it in any way. Ignorant comments of that ilk are just painful to read.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, would you ever shut up, you imbecile? </p>
<p>Accept the fact, for crying out loud, that are hateful idiots amongst your number that need to be exposed and face the law of the land and receive swift and justifiable punishment. </p>
<p>(p.s. Apologies to the writer of the article. I understand completely if you wish to delete this comment or alter it in any way. Ignorant comments of that ilk are just painful to read.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jazzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify: I don&#039;t disagree with the article - I&#039;m just wary of the reaction of some that these incidents should mean a 180 away from Hagee toward something equally grotesque on the other side</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify: I don&#8217;t disagree with the article &#8211; I&#8217;m just wary of the reaction of some that these incidents should mean a 180 away from Hagee toward something equally grotesque on the other side</p>
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