8 comments for ”Please, no more peace plans“

    
  1. This piece is one of the best, most clear-headed analyses of the situation I have seen here at 972 in describing why there is no possibility of there being a contractual peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. However, your suggestion that Israel be “nudged” out of the West Bank by having the US stop giving political support and and shield in the UN is not as simple as it sounds. This is because any action, such as the US supporting or abstaining on a UN Security Council Resolution condemning Israel for the settlements or some other sin, could have unforeseen consequences.
    One among them could be a political backlash against the President and his political party. This indeed happened with Obama. When he came into power many Leftist/Progressives, particularly in the US were telling Obama to come down like a ton of bricks on Netanyahu regarding the settlements, since supposedly American Jewry didn’t care about the settlements, so they would support Obama’s pressure on Israel in this matter. Well, this didn’t happen (BTW Israeli Leftists didn’t share this view), partly because American support for Israel is not only a “Jewish issue” and Jewish “progressives” are not, Beinart not withstanding, the crucial pillar of Israel’s support in the US, and partly because although the Israeli Left is obsessed with the settlements, many outside Israel don’t view the issue as being the most important component in the Arab/Israeli conflict.

    Another possible consequence could come from the Arab world. Much of the Arab world views the Arab/Israeli conflict in a very different way than do Israeli/Jewish Leftists/Progressives, i.e. as a struggle for Palestinian “rights”, but rather as a zero-sum game in which the perception of the US “cutting Israel loose”, as it were, would mean the opportunity for the Arab side to increase its demands and threats and it would give the most extreme elements (Syria, Iran, HIZBULLAH and HAMAS) a shot of adrenalin in giving them the opportunity to show that their steadfastness is leading to Israel being weakened. This is because they are not interested in the settlements in and of themselves, but rather the total, frontal, existential confrontation with Israel.
    This is exactly what led to the Six-Day War…when De Gaulle announced that France, Israel’s main weapons supplier , was cutting Israel off. Nasser took this as a a signal to make more strident demands. The rest is history.

    With the future of the current Arab revolutions unclear (Tunisia and now Egypt are under military regimes pending “free, democratic elections”) it would really be playing with fire to try experiments of the type you are suggesting.

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  3. The more theoretical solutions are offered the less the truth on the negotiations does seem. And the truth is: All the negotiations with the Palestinians were initiated by Israelis just because of Western, mainly American, pressure. Israelis themselves, since Rabin’s days, did never believe peace will emerge as the outcome of negotiations. Had not the Western world pressured Israel to recognize PLO and to launch peace process (which, expectedly, turned to be national disaster with hundreds of dead), Israel would never do that out of its own conviction.

    As then as today, nobody believe the IDF’s withdrawal from the Judaea and Samaria and the Palestinian state’s establishing may bring desired peace under olives. The Central Israel will be bombed from the “liberated” Palestine’s territory just like Sderot had been. Left, Right and Center in Israel are in total, if quiet, accordance over the issue, and that is a cause why the old distribution of the political camps vanished.

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  5. The author assumes that the rest of the world is going to grant Israel the boundless discretion to solve the problem on its own terms. Those days are long gone.

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  7. I think Ben Israel and Michal understand this problem exactly. Israel must be free to determine its own destiny. Unfortunately that destiny is not in America’s best interest. I suggest that we let Israel do its thing and the US just step back with the understanding that Israel is responsible for its actions.

    In the meantime the US should spend its efforts repairing our economy (which means withdrawing from the nonsensical ME wars that Israel has dragged us into) and just let those impossibly complex ME politics play themselves out. I so agree with Noam — it is time for the US to accept that we have no control over those events. It is time for us to back away, slowly of course, but to back away. After all Israel is armed with over 400 nuclear weapons, that should give them some leverage in their negotiations with their Arab neighbors.

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  9. You show very well that even a well-intentioned Israeli government would not have the political capacity to take the necessary actions for peace. But why do you think that Obama has all kinds of room to maneuver. He cannot be counted on any more than Israel’s leaders, and this is the flaw in Avishai’s argument. Israel needs more pressure, more isolation, less room to maneuver. And it is all the forms of international civil-society resistance and states acting independently of the US that will do it.

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  11. I read all this Think Tank ideas about how Israel should solve its problems but I never hear anything about the reality. Just who is Israel going to negotiate with? The Arabs that live in Gaza? The ones that fire rockets into Israel. They have a boarder with Egypt but even today Egypt does not want them. You know the ones that want to kill all Jews and have ties to Iran. Or do you want Israel to negotiate with the Arabs that still try to send suicide bombers into Israel. That still want all of Jerusalem. You know the ones that teach their young to kill Jews. The ones that get shot trying to plant bombs on roads.There is no Arab voice to negotiate with.

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  13. The state of the land now called Israel, was inhabited by Arabs for many, many centuries.They owned land and they farmed land.
    The Israelis were settlers from mostly Europe, who being persecuted by Hitler and Stalin , went to Israel as conquerors and just like Hitler and Stalin did, they appropiated land by force from the Arabs, land where the Arabs had lived for centuries and centuries. Understandingly the Americans who have a Jewish powerbase in America, wanted for political reasons to have Israel under their powerful influence in the Middle East.
    I have been well informed of the situation and I would recommend the latest book called I SHALL NOT HATE written by a doctor whose family had always lived and owned land in the now Israel and who were made to live in Gaza.
    The book is a must to read if one wants to form a balanced opinion of the Israely/Arab question. The book has a most special title:
    I SHALL NOT HATE by dr Izzeldin Aburlaish, now living in Canada , but for years worked as internist physisian, cardiologist and surgeon in Israel and Gaza. He was a.o. Harvard trained and an infertility expert.He also worked as a senior researcher at the Gertner Institute in Tel Aviv.
    And by the way JGrosman: is that not an one sided opinion: “The Palestinians in Gaza fire rocket into Israel.” Could that not be caused as RETALIATION to the treat ment the Gazans receive day and night from the Israelis? especially at the borders? Disgusted , ex-prisoner of the Japs
    I know all about oppression!

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  15. Hey people this is the time to wake tha hell up. everyone’s blind and there smoke everywhere. In my opinion We americans have made many enemies thru out the years getting in other countries and trying to change their way of life. Realize this, Muslim countries DO NOT LIKE US. in fact THEY HATE US WITH PASSION. Offcourse our government had the right intentions. to bad it fired back on our #*asses. 911 is not proof enough for you fellow americans to realize that we are in a war with 27 arab nations along with their associates and crime partners(russia,china). Say what you want about israel,but the fact remains. Israel is the only country that knows how to deal with this kind of animal. they live it everyday and have won wars even facing 4 nations at one war and kicked the living shiiit out of them. No surprise that both u.s and israel are and always will be friends,partners,and most important will stand side by side when the arab nations unite and decide to go to war with us, Yes I know most american think that israel is the main reason we are hated around the world. people please dont be ignorant and accept the fact that we as the #1 nation in the world are bullies and yes for all the right reasons we make the wrong mistakes trying to help these arab nations when all they want is to blow us up and say allah va akbar and get their 72 virgins….LOL.. I hope some of you are smiling too. Yes, Its sad to see what these idiots are fighting for. Israel does not care what the rest of the world thinks of them. Israel had and always will protect their country from these islamic jihad,mujahadin,hizzballah,hammas,fattah,and so many more surrounding them. for years they came up on top victorious. the arab nations fear Israel and they should. GOD is good and will bless those who bless israel,and curse those who curse israel. In 2001 we americans tasted what these animals are capable off. Israel faces this evil every day and fight back like they should with no damn “lets talk to these arabs and see if we can solve this hatred. hear me out you extremist muslims U.S will stand with ISRAEL like always and win on all fronts and send you all back to hell with 72 prostitutes…..LOL. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ISRAEL



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