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	<title>Comments on: Please, don&#8217;t send your kid on a Birthright tour (by Eyal Clyne)</title>
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		<title>By: RichardNYC</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is totally unlike my Taglit trip...</description>
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		<title>By: Avi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and leah, just so you too have a source:

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/160/1/41

third paragraph, second sentence

&quot;ADH2*2 is highly prevalent among Asians and infrequent in most Caucasians except for individuals of Jewish descent (30, 31).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and leah, just so you too have a source:</p>
<p><a href="http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/160/1/41" rel="nofollow">http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/160/1/41</a></p>
<p>third paragraph, second sentence</p>
<p>&#8220;ADH2*2 is highly prevalent among Asians and infrequent in most Caucasians except for individuals of Jewish descent (30, 31).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: avi</title>
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		<dc:creator>avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phelps HS assault on Akiba Hebrew Academy, 2003

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-79380840.html

Visiting Jewish Student Assaulted on Temple University Campus
-please note, Andrew Schwartz (me) is quoted)

http://temple-news.com/2008/03/03/campus-gathers-after-attack/

_____
i am exceedingly qualified to have an opinion. I was forced into a leadership position and the out spoken voice of the Jewish population on campus.  There were maybe 10 active students on campus.  We had to get the others into the know.  Most, know nothing. The vast majority dont lean left, they sit in on a couch on the left, watching CNN and at times, perhaps cracking open the NYTimes.

professors are 99% left, and unfortunately, it creeps into their classes. it shouldnt.

you should be more concerned with what i said above, the Birthright Unplugged program.  Statistically speaking, the less observant Jews are in the diaspora, the less they think Israel is important.  They both have no connection emotionally (because they have never been) and religiously, because the reform [and increasingly the conservative movement] have emphasized social judaism, not religious. I live in one of the only hubs of conservative jewry in the world, and also a booming reform community. the kids who do not go to jewish dayschool literally know nothing.

while the media is not as bad as the BBC, it is terrible here.  

Active intelligent students will be active, and intelligent. But most United States birthrighters are neither.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phelps HS assault on Akiba Hebrew Academy, 2003</p>
<p><a href="http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-79380840.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-79380840.html</a></p>
<p>Visiting Jewish Student Assaulted on Temple University Campus<br />
-please note, Andrew Schwartz (me) is quoted)</p>
<p><a href="http://temple-news.com/2008/03/03/campus-gathers-after-attack/" rel="nofollow">http://temple-news.com/2008/03/03/campus-gathers-after-attack/</a></p>
<p>_____<br />
i am exceedingly qualified to have an opinion. I was forced into a leadership position and the out spoken voice of the Jewish population on campus.  There were maybe 10 active students on campus.  We had to get the others into the know.  Most, know nothing. The vast majority dont lean left, they sit in on a couch on the left, watching CNN and at times, perhaps cracking open the NYTimes.</p>
<p>professors are 99% left, and unfortunately, it creeps into their classes. it shouldnt.</p>
<p>you should be more concerned with what i said above, the Birthright Unplugged program.  Statistically speaking, the less observant Jews are in the diaspora, the less they think Israel is important.  They both have no connection emotionally (because they have never been) and religiously, because the reform [and increasingly the conservative movement] have emphasized social judaism, not religious. I live in one of the only hubs of conservative jewry in the world, and also a booming reform community. the kids who do not go to jewish dayschool literally know nothing.</p>
<p>while the media is not as bad as the BBC, it is terrible here.  </p>
<p>Active intelligent students will be active, and intelligent. But most United States birthrighters are neither.</p>
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		<title>By: avi</title>
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		<dc:creator>avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leah--fact. look it up, ashkenazic jews eastern european discent are 25% less likely to become alcoholic. information just released via jewish geneology. i literally posted it to my facebook 3 days ago.

to the author:
i strongly disagree on all points.

birthright is any countries dream. imagine if you had outside money tht brought tourists to your country for free. 100% of the money they spend is profit for the country. and considering that israel&#039;s economy was once 50-80% based on tourism, thats a big effing deal.

furthermore, birthright is also known as birthrate. iwent on birthright. they give you a jolly tour of all the nice and some historical things about israel, but basically, its a college party, spring break style, in the land of jewish people&#039;s heritage. they not only encourage drinking, but at times, give you no other choice. A lot of these people dont normally hangout with jews whatsoever, and so, im drunk, your drunk, my body fits into your body...whoa, what do you know. hence, birthrate.

students know exactly what birthright is, perhaps parents dont. but point of fact, this whole thing is humorous because it implies that parents send their kids. you cannot go on birthright until you are 18. you have your own rights and freedoms at this point, and dont need parental consent.

furthermore, birthright never claims to be the israeli experience, rather, the ISRAEL experience. that people should experience their heritage, not how people are living now. that is an inverse conclusion. heritage implies past, not present.
his assessment of the safety of israel is always flagrantly wrong. a jew was assualted on temples campus. i dont know of any anti-semites surrounding a jew on any israeli campus, and then knocking him out cold and breaking his orbital bone. (I was president of Temple Students for Israel at the time. look it up, TEMPLE UNIVERSITY, PHILADELPHIA, PA, USA)

furthermore, in hs (AKIBA HEBREW ACADEMY, MERION STATION, PA, USA, now known as BARRACK HEBREW ACADEMY, PA, USA--look it uo), playing phelps hs, their entire school and biggoted parents surrounded our teams bus, --after they, like the above story, has surrounded our captains of the varsity team and punched him in the face, breaking his jawbone-- would not allow us to get on the bus. thankfully, i was going home via some parents... but the police were called and knives were even pulled on the coach of my team. YEA THIS WAS ALSO ON THE NEWS. just myself and my friends did not push to get it into every newspaper in the world, as oppose to the above.

things that do not happen in israel

When i went on birthright, it was obviously different. I dont need to meet you to know you are not dati. you are not chareidi. you are not chardol. you perhaps visit chabad or breslov from time to time, but otherwise consider yourself simply as chiloni. I went to Israel because it is the land of my heritage. the place whos name was mentioned everyday of school, from the time i was 2 years old, until i was 18. I wanted to kiss the ground when i got off that birthright plane, but i did not do so because I was with 40 other college students. when my birthright hillel advisor said, &quot;we need to hurry onto the bus, some people need to get back to the hotel before shabbat&quot; she really meant, &quot;avi needs to get back to the hotel before shabbat&quot;.

The truth is, Americans are stupid, PERIOD.  They are indoctrinated all the time. And you need not worry. They share your equally bigotted leftist views, as per all college campuses in the United States. The president and vice president of Students for Justice in Palestine on my campus were both jewish while i as president of Temple Students for israel.  and the Palestinians have organized Birthright Unplugged--where they tour gaza, ramallah, and the poorest parts of the arab-israeli world.  You prefer this? the brain washing that israel is purely evil? The one where they feel as though they are guilty, because they are taught (both on campus, in campus classes, and then on these alternative trips) that as a jew, they are PERSONALLY responsible for what Israel as a government does?

Israel is no different then any other country. significant government distrust, and disallusionment. No, the birthrighters do not meet chareidim. they do not get to see how a bunch of people sit and do nothing all day, get 90% tax credits and stipens from the government, all without even serving in the army.

Finally, since I am done correcting your, in my opinion, untruth...i would like to end on the most glaringly obvious omission from your little diatribe above. Birthright is for all Jews, EVERYWHERE. On my trip, i met jews from Africa (no, not south africa), India, England, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Bolivia... it is for all Jews to experience their heritage.

you clearly take for granted living in israel, and what it means to do so. others dont have the oppurtunity to go. like myself. i was supposed to go for 2 weeks in 8th grade. i sol 500$ worth of wrapping paper to go. then arafat declared war on the jews. our trip was canceled. i finally got to go 5 years later because of birthright. i fought to go to israel. and it was an honor, and a privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leah&#8211;fact. look it up, ashkenazic jews eastern european discent are 25% less likely to become alcoholic. information just released via jewish geneology. i literally posted it to my facebook 3 days ago.</p>
<p>to the author:<br />
i strongly disagree on all points.</p>
<p>birthright is any countries dream. imagine if you had outside money tht brought tourists to your country for free. 100% of the money they spend is profit for the country. and considering that israel&#8217;s economy was once 50-80% based on tourism, thats a big effing deal.</p>
<p>furthermore, birthright is also known as birthrate. iwent on birthright. they give you a jolly tour of all the nice and some historical things about israel, but basically, its a college party, spring break style, in the land of jewish people&#8217;s heritage. they not only encourage drinking, but at times, give you no other choice. A lot of these people dont normally hangout with jews whatsoever, and so, im drunk, your drunk, my body fits into your body&#8230;whoa, what do you know. hence, birthrate.</p>
<p>students know exactly what birthright is, perhaps parents dont. but point of fact, this whole thing is humorous because it implies that parents send their kids. you cannot go on birthright until you are 18. you have your own rights and freedoms at this point, and dont need parental consent.</p>
<p>furthermore, birthright never claims to be the israeli experience, rather, the ISRAEL experience. that people should experience their heritage, not how people are living now. that is an inverse conclusion. heritage implies past, not present.<br />
his assessment of the safety of israel is always flagrantly wrong. a jew was assualted on temples campus. i dont know of any anti-semites surrounding a jew on any israeli campus, and then knocking him out cold and breaking his orbital bone. (I was president of Temple Students for Israel at the time. look it up, TEMPLE UNIVERSITY, PHILADELPHIA, PA, USA)</p>
<p>furthermore, in hs (AKIBA HEBREW ACADEMY, MERION STATION, PA, USA, now known as BARRACK HEBREW ACADEMY, PA, USA&#8211;look it uo), playing phelps hs, their entire school and biggoted parents surrounded our teams bus, &#8211;after they, like the above story, has surrounded our captains of the varsity team and punched him in the face, breaking his jawbone&#8211; would not allow us to get on the bus. thankfully, i was going home via some parents&#8230; but the police were called and knives were even pulled on the coach of my team. YEA THIS WAS ALSO ON THE NEWS. just myself and my friends did not push to get it into every newspaper in the world, as oppose to the above.</p>
<p>things that do not happen in israel</p>
<p>When i went on birthright, it was obviously different. I dont need to meet you to know you are not dati. you are not chareidi. you are not chardol. you perhaps visit chabad or breslov from time to time, but otherwise consider yourself simply as chiloni. I went to Israel because it is the land of my heritage. the place whos name was mentioned everyday of school, from the time i was 2 years old, until i was 18. I wanted to kiss the ground when i got off that birthright plane, but i did not do so because I was with 40 other college students. when my birthright hillel advisor said, &#8220;we need to hurry onto the bus, some people need to get back to the hotel before shabbat&#8221; she really meant, &#8220;avi needs to get back to the hotel before shabbat&#8221;.</p>
<p>The truth is, Americans are stupid, PERIOD.  They are indoctrinated all the time. And you need not worry. They share your equally bigotted leftist views, as per all college campuses in the United States. The president and vice president of Students for Justice in Palestine on my campus were both jewish while i as president of Temple Students for israel.  and the Palestinians have organized Birthright Unplugged&#8211;where they tour gaza, ramallah, and the poorest parts of the arab-israeli world.  You prefer this? the brain washing that israel is purely evil? The one where they feel as though they are guilty, because they are taught (both on campus, in campus classes, and then on these alternative trips) that as a jew, they are PERSONALLY responsible for what Israel as a government does?</p>
<p>Israel is no different then any other country. significant government distrust, and disallusionment. No, the birthrighters do not meet chareidim. they do not get to see how a bunch of people sit and do nothing all day, get 90% tax credits and stipens from the government, all without even serving in the army.</p>
<p>Finally, since I am done correcting your, in my opinion, untruth&#8230;i would like to end on the most glaringly obvious omission from your little diatribe above. Birthright is for all Jews, EVERYWHERE. On my trip, i met jews from Africa (no, not south africa), India, England, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Bolivia&#8230; it is for all Jews to experience their heritage.</p>
<p>you clearly take for granted living in israel, and what it means to do so. others dont have the oppurtunity to go. like myself. i was supposed to go for 2 weeks in 8th grade. i sol 500$ worth of wrapping paper to go. then arafat declared war on the jews. our trip was canceled. i finally got to go 5 years later because of birthright. i fought to go to israel. and it was an honor, and a privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an American and I went on a Birthright trip in 2006 and I was remember the epiphany that this was not just a &quot;free trip to connect with my Jewishness,&quot; but a mission to propagandize me.  I was kept inside hotel conference rooms while I listened to lectures telling us that if we didn&#039;t all make aliyah and populate Israel with Jewish babies, the Jews would be outnumbered. I received pamphlets and handouts about why I should marry Jewish, with terrible lies like &quot;gentile husbands are more likely to be alcoholics.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry, but I was 19 years old and aware enough to read between the lines of my Birthright trip.  I agree with everything the author said, and have grown to learn that nothing is free and everyone has an agenda - even fellow Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an American and I went on a Birthright trip in 2006 and I was remember the epiphany that this was not just a &#8220;free trip to connect with my Jewishness,&#8221; but a mission to propagandize me.  I was kept inside hotel conference rooms while I listened to lectures telling us that if we didn&#8217;t all make aliyah and populate Israel with Jewish babies, the Jews would be outnumbered. I received pamphlets and handouts about why I should marry Jewish, with terrible lies like &#8220;gentile husbands are more likely to be alcoholics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I was 19 years old and aware enough to read between the lines of my Birthright trip.  I agree with everything the author said, and have grown to learn that nothing is free and everyone has an agenda &#8211; even fellow Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: challange?</title>
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		<dc:creator>challange?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Challange them? But the program is all set, and the places are already arranging the frame...

And evenyhough the movie is not the issue, you should note that it was filmed in The Israeli Experience, which is basically a sub-program of the same thing.
see: http://mondoweiss.net/?s=birthright</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Challange them? But the program is all set, and the places are already arranging the frame&#8230;</p>
<p>And evenyhough the movie is not the issue, you should note that it was filmed in The Israeli Experience, which is basically a sub-program of the same thing.<br />
see: <a href="http://mondoweiss.net/?s=birthright" rel="nofollow">http://mondoweiss.net/?s=birthright</a></p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as though the footage from the film was taken from a program called Hetz Va Keshet, which describes itself as a military type program aimed at children of emigrated Israelis.  I&#039;m pretty confident that birthright does not take their participants through Gadna.  They do have a 5-day mifgash with Israeli soldiers, which is largely due to the fact that their ages are similar and that Israeli university students generally couldn&#039;t make the the necessary time commitment.
I think Eyal is sorely mistaken in saying that there exists little to no criticism, and chose to show specific footage of unprofessional guiding and education.  As someone who often gives lectures for birthright groups, this has not been my experience.  I often encourage the participants to challenge what they hear, and to engage the soldiers on a deeper level.

Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as though the footage from the film was taken from a program called Hetz Va Keshet, which describes itself as a military type program aimed at children of emigrated Israelis.  I&#8217;m pretty confident that birthright does not take their participants through Gadna.  They do have a 5-day mifgash with Israeli soldiers, which is largely due to the fact that their ages are similar and that Israeli university students generally couldn&#8217;t make the the necessary time commitment.<br />
I think Eyal is sorely mistaken in saying that there exists little to no criticism, and chose to show specific footage of unprofessional guiding and education.  As someone who often gives lectures for birthright groups, this has not been my experience.  I often encourage the participants to challenge what they hear, and to engage the soldiers on a deeper level.</p>
<p>Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Margie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to Israel thirty years ago, full of leftist ideals and convinced that there was a simple and obvious solution to the problem.
The Palestinian rejection of all offers of peace and their laws (that stipulate the death penalty for anyone who sells land to a Jew, for instance) have made me understand how naive I was.

I have no illusions that the army is perfect or that any army on earth is perfect -- it&#039;s an army for heaven&#039;s sake - but it&#039;s there to protect us. There are huge flaws but work with us and not against us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to Israel thirty years ago, full of leftist ideals and convinced that there was a simple and obvious solution to the problem.<br />
The Palestinian rejection of all offers of peace and their laws (that stipulate the death penalty for anyone who sells land to a Jew, for instance) have made me understand how naive I was.</p>
<p>I have no illusions that the army is perfect or that any army on earth is perfect &#8212; it&#8217;s an army for heaven&#8217;s sake &#8211; but it&#8217;s there to protect us. There are huge flaws but work with us and not against us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously there are a lot of problems with Birthright, but keep in mind how frequently those between the ages of 18-26 zone out while other people lecture them, and how many do indeed think for themselves. I came to Israel for the first time on a Birthright trip six years ago, and knew nothing about the country, but was educated enough to know the organizers had an agenda, were full of BS and that the pieces did not fit together. For me, it began a learning process and a shift to the left. 

Tons of Jewish students go to Hillel events for free meals, with no intention whatsoever of meeting their Jewish spouses-to-be, although this is the obvious intention of Hillel. I&#039;d bet many young Jewish people go on Birthright with the same free-meal approach, and don&#039;t buy into what they hear on that trip. If 18- to 26-year-olds really were &quot;kids&quot; it would be a totally different story. And you&#039;d be surprised at how many boys, regardless of their politics, get excited to hold and be pictured with a gun. It&#039;s disgusting, but it&#039;s not like Birthright&#039;s the only chance they&#039;ll ever get to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously there are a lot of problems with Birthright, but keep in mind how frequently those between the ages of 18-26 zone out while other people lecture them, and how many do indeed think for themselves. I came to Israel for the first time on a Birthright trip six years ago, and knew nothing about the country, but was educated enough to know the organizers had an agenda, were full of BS and that the pieces did not fit together. For me, it began a learning process and a shift to the left. </p>
<p>Tons of Jewish students go to Hillel events for free meals, with no intention whatsoever of meeting their Jewish spouses-to-be, although this is the obvious intention of Hillel. I&#8217;d bet many young Jewish people go on Birthright with the same free-meal approach, and don&#8217;t buy into what they hear on that trip. If 18- to 26-year-olds really were &#8220;kids&#8221; it would be a totally different story. And you&#8217;d be surprised at how many boys, regardless of their politics, get excited to hold and be pictured with a gun. It&#8217;s disgusting, but it&#8217;s not like Birthright&#8217;s the only chance they&#8217;ll ever get to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margie, how come a torrent of 24/7 militaristic, calculatedly political brainwash is &quot;allowing a child to think for himself&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margie, how come a torrent of 24/7 militaristic, calculatedly political brainwash is &#8220;allowing a child to think for himself&#8221;?</p>
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