19 comments for ”101: How to make a martyr, from al-Durrah to Abu Rahmah“

    
  1. Actually, at first the IDF admitted that it was probably them who had killed al Durah. Later, they began backing off the claim and it was only after it became abundantly clear they hadn’t killed him that they finally, belatedly, removed the stain of responsibility from their own shoulders. Karsteny shouldered all the costs of his efforts and held fast to the truth despite the fact that he was facing an established myth.

    The problem here involves a few challenges for Israel. First, it can’t extricate itself from the Palestinians because they don’t want to be extricated. The little Qassam museum in Sderot is testament to that. So is the Washington Post interview with Abbas about Olmert’s peace offer where the only justification he gave for walking away from a Palestinian state was that “the gaps were too wide.” This, even though they would have had a capital in east Jerusalem.

    What this means is that Israel faces a number of different wars. It faces the Iranian front, led by two proxy armies on Israel’s borders pointing real missiles at Israel. It faces belligerent Arab states that seek to undermine Israel internationally and diplomatically even as they continue to prepare for war against the Jewish state. And, when not facing a terrorist war by the Palestinians, Israel has been facing a propaganda war by them.

    The goal of the propaganda is straightforward: to isolate Israel diplomatically and eliminate support from the Western public at large to a degree that would influence Western governments to slow or eliminate support for the Jewish state.

    Events such as Al Durah and Cast Lead are used in this context and quite effectively, often with the support and assistance of many Leftist Jews within and outside of Israel. I have been present at demonstrations critical of Israel where there were more Jewish activists by a factor of 10-1 over Arab activists. This has come to help the Palestinian cause immensely, since apparently any Jew who attacks Israel gains automatic credibility as a “good” Jew of the “peace” and “justice” kind. Apparently the rest of us are bad Jews who like to kill and maim, when we’re not manipulating the press and non-Jewish countries’ governments.

    Let’s take Cast Lead as an example. Where is B’Tzelem now that Hamas itself has rejected B’Tzelem’s civilian/militant death count for Cast Lead? Where is HRW? Where are all the college-circuit speakers in the US, Canada and the UK, such as Finkelstein, who walked around parroting false NGO claims against Israel, sordidly attacking the morality of Israel’s war, ignoring or justifying the thousands of rockets launched against the Western Negev and falsely using as the foundation of their attacks the “high civilian death count” in Cast Lead? Where is Goldstone for that matter?

    What exactly was Israel supposed to do? It put out accurate numbers of Hamas dead – and chances are that if those were accurate, so were their other numbers of an additional 400 civilian dead. Did it get credit for its accurate reporting? No, it was vilified. Now, two years later, that it has been proven right about the numbers, are you and others who support the Palestinians going to apologize and claim that many of the claims made against Israel were false and unfair? Of course not. Instead there will be new attacks or more justifications for the old attacks.

    Did Israel get credit for waiting years for belligerence to stop from Gaza? No. Was Hamas ever seriously criticized for shelling civilians all the time and at random? No. It was understood and accepted that their priority is attacking Israel, just like today when they continue to amass pilestocks of weapons while promising Israel’s destruction and enjoying the support of the many people demanding the blockade be removed.

    Israel can’t win. It offers peace and gets war. It faces complex challenges from real enemies who openly wish for its destruction, and when it seeks to handle them, it is attacked in a unique manner by international institutions and organizations who openly excuse far greater “sins” by other nations. Once every couple of years, it faces stories like Al Dura, Jenin, Rachel Corrie, Cast Lead, et cetera, stories whose worst variants are pushed as solid truth by pro-Palestinian supporters.
    What’s surprising is that Israel hasn’t become what its detractors say it is. After all, if it is going to be criticized viciously, you would think it would learn to act as described. It has nothing to lose, since it will be criticized in the same way. And yet, it continues to seek to minimize casualties on the other side, to offer peace, and to express information about events to the best of its ability. Sometimes they get things wrong, but the track record suggests otherwise. It suggests that in two or three years from now, somebody will find out that this tear-gas death in Bil’in might have been something other than what was described. And then nobody will say anything, and I guess somebody will write commentary about how Israel never learns from its previous mistakes.

    I know! They should let the nice, unarmed demonstrators at Bil’in proceed to the fence every week and dismantle it all. Surely that will lead to justice and peace, and certainly much faster than something as ridiculous as a Palestinian leader signing a peace treaty with Israel.

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  3. There is absolutely no possibility of reaching an accord with Israelis and all efforts at negotiation only play into the hands of the Israeli criminals.

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  5. maayan My how your Hasbarrow overfloweth.

    “Karsteny shouldered all the costs of his efforts and held fast to the truth despite the fact that he was facing an established myth”

    The court case was not about who killed Mohammed al-Durrah. It was a libel case according to the actual judgment http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#Al-Durah

    “First, it can’t extricate itself from the Palestinians because they don’t want to be extricated. The little Qassam museum in Sderot is testament to that.”

    How is it a testament to your claim? Fact is, it isn’t. It’s meaningless waffle.

    Israel occupies. //Res 1860
    Recalling all of its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003) and 1850 (2008),
    Stressing that the Gaza Strip constitutes an integral part of the territory occupied in 1967 and will be a part of the Palestinian state//

    The occupier can end occupation AT ANY TIME IT CHOOSES. Occupation is VOLUNTARY. Having chosen to occupy, the Occupying Power has obligations under the UN Charter Chapter XI.

    In 1949 Israel was demanding http://wp.me/pDB7k-l5 territories OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL http://wp.me/pDB7k-KL . Israel WANTS the Palestinian territories. It has illegally annexed and it illegally settles. Were your twaddle true, it would not be illegally settling or illegally annexing.

    “Did Israel get credit for waiting years for belligerence to stop from Gaza?”

    Uh? You mean all the continual incursions, targeted assassinations were IDF fabrications? AMAZING!! Israel has never ‘waited’!

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    Israel has dug itself a ghastly black hole by it’s stupid ‘facts on the ground’. If it adheres to International Law and tries to force the illegal settlers out, there will be an Israeli civil war, OUTSIDE of Israel’s Sovereignty. Think about it.. read the UN Charter on States acting outside of their territories.

    If it does not adhere to International Law and continues to act illegally outside of it’s sovereign territories … read the UN Charter on States acting outside of their territories.

    Which ever way Israel turns, IT IS IN DEEP SH*TE of it’s own greedy, insane, making.

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  9. talknik

    I think the specter of a civil war etc is something of a red herring. All Israel has to do if it wants to solve the problem of illegal settlements (namely, all settlements) is to stop sending the IDF goons in to protect the settlers. Let them fend for themselves. The settlers will either be forced back over the green line or (preferably) killed. Case closed. The Israelis are once again hoodwinking the international community into thinking the crisis they created with the settlers is now unsolvable and therefore, some special dispensation must be offered to the settler riff raff so that israel can simply annex the land it covets. Don’t fall for it.

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  11. Great comment, Maayan.

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  13. [...] +972 blogger, Dahlia Scheindlin, argued that the way the Israeli military’s attempts to avoid blame for the death of Ms. Abu Rahmah [...]

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  15. Talknic, if Israel is in trouble, it is predominantly because it is a very small country with little leverage in terms of size or wealth. Contending with a well organized, rich bloc of Arab and Muslim states makes the diplomatic front one of the most complex for Israel.

    As for your attempt to make the little Qassem museum in Sderot something it is not, I’ll explain to you in clearest terms something you don’t seem to understand: targeting civilians, for the sake of murder or for the sake of terror, is the height of immorality.

    If you can find any provision about a “Palestinian state” in 242 or 338, quote it. 242 and 338 are the agreed-upon foundations of Oslo.

    Uh, Israel most certainly waited. A targeted assassination or an incursion to grab a terrorist are not the same as launching the war. How do we know this? Why don’t you do a comparison between the near-silence of Qassem and other rockets from Gaza after Cast Lead versus the ongoing average of 3-4 attacks per day during the days of targeted assassinations and incursions. Of course, if there had been no rockets, there wouldn’t have been incursions or assassinations, which is the most important fact you’re choosing to ignore.

    Finally, regarding the “belligerent occupation,” it is Israeli control over a territory that had no sovereign state or rule other than the Mandate (which was intended to establish a home for the Jewish people) in 1948. In 1967, the ruler, Jordan, had no greater right than Israel to Judea and Samaria. In fact, under the very clear determination of the parceling of land by the League of Nations, this was to be Jewish territory. And it is precisely the behavior of Jordan during its years of control over eastern Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria that contribute to a clear understanding of why the Israelis are ensuring that their control over Jewish areas and holy sites in Jerusalem will remain permanent.

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  17. Hi Dahlia

    As you’re undoubtedly aware, the incessant (and highly successful) incitement to murder has come exclusively from the Israelis. If your point is that only Palestinians can be killed with impunity, you should spell that out. Your country is inciting mass murder against Iran on an hourly basis and has been inciting violence AND murdering Palestinians for over 60 years. Support of Israel is itself, an incitement to violence murder. That needs to be understood.

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  19. First-time commenter:
    I’m kind of surprised that someone who is clearly intelligent could come up with such a stupid central argument and use two self-negating examples as its central foundation. The Al-Durah case only works if one forgets (or doesn’t care) that he wasn’t actually killed by any Israelis, that the French reporters lied about this, and Karsenty called them on their deceit and was vindicated (which somehow has been described an example of self-righteousness or the conflict being all about him, a line of thought not likely to earn higher than an ‘F’ in a Logic 101 class). And the later case has nicely unraveled into a PA ring of lies, where the IDF’s main fault was rushing to falsely claim responsibility. If the point of this was that Palestinians can simply create rallying cries and this is Israel’s fault, it would have been nice to have that spelled out explicitly. Pieces like this and a-i’s posts have the same chance of helping end the conflict: zero.

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  21. the only way the conflict can be resolved is for the zionists to go back to E Europe and Palestine returned to the Palestinians. Everything else is accepting the theft of 1948. “Progressive” israelis should lead the emigration, otherwise you will appear as putting an ethical gloss on your theft

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  23. maayan “if Israel is in trouble, it is predominantly because it is a very small country with little leverage in terms of size or wealth. Contending with a well organized, rich bloc of Arab and Muslim states makes the diplomatic front one of the most complex for Israel”

    Irrelevant to the actual extent of Israeli Sovereignty and/or the legal status of territories in the region.

    “As for your attempt to make the little Qassem museum in Sderot something it is not..”

    False accusations are so un-becoming.

    “I’ll explain to you…something you don’t seem to understand: targeting civilians, for the sake of murder or for the sake of terror, is the height of immorality”

    Ya don’t say. WOW!! It has absolutely NO THING to do with anything I have ever written. In fact I agree.

    “If you can find any provision about a “Palestinian state” in 242 or 338, quote it. 242 and 338 are the agreed-upon foundations of Oslo.”

    Why would I even bother to look? UNSC Res was to end hostilities between states. Palestine is not a state. The states were all High Contracting Powers, why the GC’s apply according to the UNSC. Israel was left as the Occupying Power. See Chapter XI UN Charter.

    “A targeted assassination or an incursion to grab a terrorist are not the same as launching the war.”

    When did the preemptive Plan Dalet waged on Palestine come to an end. Can you show ANY ceasefire, armistice or peace agreements between Israel and Palestine?

    “Of course, if there had been no rockets, there wouldn’t have been incursions or assassinations, which is the most important fact you’re choosing to ignore.”

    You ignore the fact that Israel had illegally acquired by war, 50% of the territories NOT slated for Israel or Declared by Israel, BEFORE there were any Palestinian rocket attacks. Before there was a Hamas, before the ’67 war.

    ” regarding the “belligerent occupation,” it is Israeli control over a territory that had no sovereign state or rule”

    Irrelevant, read the UN Charter Chapter XI. Read UNSC Res 1860.

    “..other than the Mandate (which was intended to establish a home for the Jewish people) in 1948.”

    The Mandate said nothing about a Jewish ‘state’. The mandate expired May 14th 1948. Read the Declaration for the Establishment of the State of Israel.

    “In 1967, the ruler, Jordan, had no greater right than Israel to Judea and Samaria.”

    Jordan didn’t claim it as their own. Israel AGREED to Jordan occupying in after the ’48 war. Read the Armistice AGREEMENT. Jordan occupied as per the UN Charter Chapt XI as a temporary trustee.

    After the ’67 war Israel occupied by agreement with Jordan. Read th Armistice AGREEMENT. Israel is obliged to the UN Charter Chapt XI.

    ” In fact, under the very clear determination of the parceling of land by the League of Nations, this was to be Jewish territory.”

    Read the Mandate Article 7 then stop lying.

    “And it is precisely the behavior of Jordan during its years of control over eastern Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria that contribute to a clear understanding of why the Israelis are ensuring that their control over Jewish areas and holy sites in Jerusalem will remain permanent”

    Then Israel must LEGALLY annex. It hasn’t. Legal annexation requires a referendum of the citizens of the territory being annexed. It’s Customary International Law from at least the time the US annexed Texas.

    Nothing you have said has any bearing on the legal status of territories.

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  25. Ben

    The court case was not to decide who killed Mohamed Al Dura. It was a slander/libel case.

    Read the court decision. http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y

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  27. anti-Israeli

    “The settlers will either be forced back over the green line or (preferably) killed”

    A) Yes B) Don’t lower yourself….

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  29. Wow, all that responding and you said nothing.

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  31. maayan LOL Nothing you can refute

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  33. This is a very interesting article, but is not very clear. The boy died because IDF has occupy his land. This is the only reason why that boy is died. (I was crying to watching this video…he is so defenceless)
    No other words can support any other ideas. This is the ugly fact!

    But this is also an introduction at what you and other Jews wish to point at.
    What kind of land do you want?
    2 lands, Israel and Palestinian or one big land where Jews and Palestinian are brother?Where one state is one composed in the same misure for you and palestinian? Where the right are the same and where the extremism, the Orthodox (askenazi, lubavitcher and other and where walabiti, salafiti, and so on) for both religion are forced to stay out with any other permission and any other rights that to live quietly with their neighbor.



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