14 comments for ”New racist rabbinical letter warns against dating Arabs“

    
  1. It is interesting to note that Islam forbids Muslim women to marry or date non-Muslim men. This is the background for many of the “family honor killings” that are prevalent in the Muslim Middle East. If you were to go to any Islamic leader and ask if, in the interest of universalism, Muslim women should be permitted or even encouraged to date non-Muslim men, I am sure they would consider the idea outrageous, just like the Jewish religious leaders who are warning against Jewish girls dating non-Jewish men. Is this racism?

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  3. @BenIsrael: I must have missed the announcement saying that every time an orthodox jew is accused of doing something crazy, the response is: muslims are racist.
    Of course its racism. the only difference is that this racism is being published in our name, with our money, by our politicians.
    im sure the human rights groups in saudi arabia are looking forward to your arrival there to help them with issues of islam-abuses-of-human-rights since you seem to be incredibly up to date about it.
    Yes its racism, and even more, its CHAUVINISM.

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  5. Hi Tahel

    Very well said.

    Nevertheless, I worry that while this sort of thing is (rightfully) condemned as extremism, a different measure applies when our Jewish mothers openly shudder at the thought of us dating a gentile (let alone an ARAB). This we chalk up to our charming and generally well-intentioned Jewish quirks. I see these scenarios however as intimately related. We really need to interrogate jewishness in a deep sense and be willing to jettison those aspects of it that are contrary to our moral sense. The question is how much of being Jewish can survive this interrogation? Can we continue to celebrate “the angel of death passing over Jewish homes to kill the first born Arab child” year after year and affect innocence? What would we say if Arab families celebrated such an event? Would we not react with outrage and revulsion? If only we could call out a few obvious bigots and be done with it. I think our problems go much much deeper.

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  7. Tahel-
    Actually, there are Muslim religious figures and politicians and professors who get YOURS and my Israeli tax money and also teach racism, yet I see no one is relating to this here.
    Fighting against racism and anti-democratic practices in Israel is certainly a worthy cause, but last time I noticed, the large majority of the population of Israel is Hebrew speaking, including much of the Arab population. Yet, this 972 site is in English. Right at this moment, there are 17 headlines posting, almost all of them decrying Israel as being “racist” or “anti-democratic”. Since this is in English, the target audience is not the Israeli public. It must be directed to people outside Israel.
    What is the purpose of this, then? To blacken Israel’s reputation around the world?
    I am sure everyone knows that Arab society with its clan divisions is far more racist than Israeli society is, yet this is ignored here. By not pointing out the problem of racism of ALL populations in the country, in a language not native to the country, I can only come to the conclusion that there is a larger, global POLITICAL agenda in these postings, and not a real concern about improving the situation.
    What I keep hearing from the “progressives” in Israel in places like the Ha’aretz newspaper is despair at the fact that the majority of the population does not accept the “progressive” agenda, particularly as reflected in the Knesset and government coalition, so increasingly there is a demand that someone on the outside, Obama, the EU or others come in and somehow intervene to force Israel to do what they want. It seems that these postings are actually seen to be ammunition in that struggle. That is why I believe it is important to tell the WHOLE story, to show that the Middle East is a place with serious problems of lack of tolerance for minorities and the Jews are NOT the primary source for this problem, and that people outside Israel who want to improve the situation can not focus only on Israel because by doing so they are only emboldening the anti-peace forces which are perceived to be increasing their influence in recent years.

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  9. personally, just from seeing how most of my friends react to me posting articles from this website on facebook (and my general impression of ppl around me) it seems that Israeli society is no different than any other on earth. its just that looking in on this kind of behavior from the inside is much harder for thinking and feeling people.
    I remember when we were taken in high school to visit Auschwitz and we saw some houses right on the other side of the camp and we asked ourselves how could ppl let this happen? they knew, they saw. but they completely disassociated themselves from it.
    same thing is happening in Israel today. A general disassociation and alieation of anyone who is even slightly different (arabs, migrants, even women).
    The information ppl receive is manipulated (though i dont think anyone can claim they havent seen or heard at least some of the things happening, but for that there’s always an excuse), we’re educated from childhood to be in a constant state of panic and fear and this causes an incredible alienation of the palestinians. most Israelis have never met a palestinian but if u ask them they’ll be able to give u a head-to-toe description.
    its partly the “jewish arrogance” we get from our surroundings- we tell ourselves that we’re better and ‘chosen’ and the world generally treats us that way. Its also education and the tribal-type-behavior that goes on.
    From what i see, outrage doesnt make the bad feeling of witnessing such things go away. Joining grassroots and getting to know “the other side” does. It gives a better sense of humanity. at least to me.

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  11. What a load of Israeli vomit.

    This site has, to its enormous credit, posted article after article, video after video after video of the Israelis terrorizing Palestinian citizens, bulldozing their homes, bombing hospitals with phosphorus, uprooting olive groves–the settler riff raff beating and terrorizing the citizens, the land theft, the humiliation and relentless abuse.

    You have videos of the Arabs engaged in this behavior? Swell. Start your own site and post it.

    You’re a cheap liar and a disgrace to Jewish people everywhere.

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  13. Hi tahel

    My last post was obviously intended for Ben Israel.

    I do however take issue to some extent with your characterization of Israeli avoidance of the Palestinian reality. During Operation Cast Lead, the Israelis pulled up lawn chairs to better observe the carnage. I don’t think israelis are ‘just like people everywhere.’ I think that they have become a Nazified society. The US suffered from this viral strain during the Vietnam war, though the opposition to it here was pretty fierce and widespread. That doesn’t seem to be the case in Israel.

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  15. ..a little ps vis a vis Auschwitz.

    It’s one thing to turn your back on such horrifying atrocities, as many Germans undoubtedly did. It’s quite another to openly applaud them, as the Israelis so often do. My own impression of Netanyahu’s election victory is that the Israeli public found the Gaza massacre insufficient to satisfy their bloodlust. They felt short-changed that the Palestinians weren’t exterminated. They needed someone MORE criminally insane and indifferent to human life than Barack and Livni. Enter Bibi.

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  17. @BenIsrael:
    this notion that activists and journalists are “blackening israel’s name in the world” is a huge problem in the Israel media today.
    you hardly see any of the stories you read about here, being posted on ynet or nrg because in israel we’re educated that we’re all in this together and we have to stick together and there are two sides and we need to chose one and you’re either with us or against us.
    The people writing here don’t make this stuff up.
    The govt. of israel is a body of educated people that make decisions. those decisions and their execution is the reason israel is portrayed the way it is internationally. its mostly negative because most of those decisions aren’t positive.

    I don’t work for 972 but seems to me that they weren’t really going for becoming the new ynet. they’re simply helping complete the news picture.
    and by the way, every major israeli paper online has an english version today, should that be canceled so that people on the outside can’t read the less-positive things happening in israel?

    every group that supports racism should be dealt with- muslim or jewish or whatever. just like every govt. should be held accountable for its actions- north korea, afghanistan, finland, israel. even if as citizens of that country its sometimes more than unpleasant to hear about things the govt. does “for us”.

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  19. @anti-israeli:
    i look at my siblings that are currently going to school in israel- the history books they’re studying, the news they’re watching and hearing, the movies, the books, the advertisements. i dont believe they were ever really given the chance to make a moral decision about any of this.
    they had never met palestinians, they never heard of the green line, no one ever told them that the whole history education about the european jews running to an “empty land”, well, that it wasn’t really an empty land.
    12 years of israeli eduction leave u knowing the “machtarot” backwards and the number of jews hitler was after in estonia. not much more.
    its hard for me to blame them supporting the flattening of gaza, when this is all they’ve been exposed to.
    on the other hand, after i introduced them to some movies, and history books and even some israeli arabs and palestinians- it was remarkable to see the change. its as if “the other side” was literally “brought to life” or in the very least transformed from “crazy jew hating terrorist” to “human being, my age, looks like me, living under impossible conditions im creating for him”.
    i wouldnt say nazified, i would say ignorant, militaristic and violent (for the exact difference of opinion we have on the norman finkelstein matter :) ) and again, not because they’re inherently flawed, but because generations of israelis are being brainwashed for almost 7 decades.

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  21. Tahel

    I hate it when someone makes a smarter post than mine, which i have to admit, I think you have. What you say is undoubtedly true. I suppose I suffer to an extent from that which I condemn–the natural inclination achieve moral clarity even when the truth of the situation is not so clear.

    I was quite moved by the short film about girls in the IDF called “To see if I’m smiling.” I wish more israelis were outraged at how their government is destroying the lives of its own kids, forcing them into hideous (and totally unnecessary) situations and causing them mental scars from which many will never recover.

    http://www.linktv.org/programs/to-see-if-i-am-smiling

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  23. thanks for the recommendation :)
    I’ve recently seen this docu and have been recommending it in venues that wont get me arrested by the thought-police next time i try to enter the mother-ship…
    http://www.occupation101.com/

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