Comments on: My great-grandmother: Orthodox and anti-Zionist

By: David T.

David T. — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:45:20 +0000

Caden’s comments about Mortillo and his wife seem to prove her thesis about Zionists and autism.

By: Joachim Martillo

Joachim Martillo — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:01:49 +0000

Here is how I understand Kriwaczek’s assertion.
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2. Peripheral Romano-Frankish, Romano-Arabic, and Turko-Slavic populations constructed the Medieval world.
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Romano-Franks created the Medieval Christian West.
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Romano-Arabs created the Medieval Islamic East.
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Turko-Slavs and the last Geonim created the Medieval Jewish trade networks, (a) which were the “territory” of Medieval Rabbinic Judaism and (b) without which the Medieval world did not function economically.
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For a long period the Medieval Jewish trade networks were the main source of Slavic slaves, who played such a large role throughout Medieval Europe and Islam that many modern languages still use derivatives of the word slav to mean slave.
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As a corollary to this Jewish slave trade, many Jews went into medicine because Jewish slave dealers needed to make sure that their “stock” was in reasonably good health.
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Because purchases of slaves often had to be financed, the Jewish slave trade also gave a big incentive to the development of Jewish lending and banking businesses.
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3. Nineteenth century Jews inherited a superior form of social networking from the international Jewish trade networks (and later economic niches) of the Middle Ages.
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Even though pre-modern forms of Jewish business activity were in decline since the late 18th century, the associated Jewish networks of trust increased in size and cohesiveness with the development of international telecommunications technology and the growth of the associated international media industries in the 19th century.
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At the same time, (1) because Jewish population was growing rapidly, (2) because many traditional Jewish economic niches had become obsolete, and (3) because more non-Jews had begun to enter traditionally Jewish types of business, Jewish social networks were becoming more aggressive and often tried to establish effectively exclusive claim to new economic sectors.
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Increasing numbers of non-Jews began to view Jews as economic cheaters, and despite self-serving Jewish efforts to blame Christianity for rising hostility toward Jews (in an era of declining religious belief!), classic late 19th anti-Semitism was really a response to the growing effectiveness of Jewish social networking and can be primarily attributed to antisocial Jewish behavior associated with certain aspects of economic modernization and technological innovation that advantaged the Jewish meta-population.
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4. Political science and the historical discussion of the nature of the nation are too restrictive because they assume that the elemental nation-state must be consolidated on the basis of a territory and language.
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From the early 19th century onward Jewish communities undergo a process of virtual national consolidation on a foundation with two key components.
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The first component consisted of the remnants of pre-modern Jewish trade networks that had been constructed around a common faith requiring a commitment to Jewish sacred law. Jewish sacred law (or Halakhah) provided a uniform commercial code that regulated Jewish networks of trust in mercantile and financial industries.
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The second component was a new national consciousness associated with the new idea of a Jewish Volk that must take possession and control of Palestine even if the vast majority of Jews never migrate there.
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Evolving (and somewhat different) political and economic interests of Western, Central and Eastern European Jews worked together to create the Zionist Virtual Colonial Motherland
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(1) that partnered with the UK and
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(2) that managed the New Settlement and now the State of Israel as a colonial dependency.
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Since the end of the British Mandatory, the Zionist colonial system has evolved into a vastly profitable mostly financial empire that has rendered the US government an intimidated and dependent client state within an extremely flexible imperial system.

By: Joachim Martillo

Joachim Martillo — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:50:43 +0000

I am not sure that Jews are Mercurians in ways comparable to those of the other groups that Slezkine mentions.

Paul Kriwaczek writes the following in Yiddish Civilization, The Rise and Fall of a Forgotten Nation, pp 5-6.

We have forgotten that Yiddish-speaking Jews were no mere religious or linguistic minority but formed one of Europe’s nations, ultimately more populous than many others — eventually to outnumber Bosnians, Croats, Danes, Estonians, Latvians, Slovaks, Slovenians and Swiss, not to mention the Irish, the Scots and the Welsh. What is more, their contribution to central and eastern Europe’s economic, social and intellectual development was utterly disproportionate to their numbers. The Yiddish people must be counted among the founder nations of Europe. (Please take note Ireland, Spain, Italy and Poland, who have pressed for “the Christian roots of the continent” to be proclaimed in the constitution of the European Union.)

By: Shlomo Krol

Shlomo Krol — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:29:12 +0000

I’m against censorship. Martillos lies are so obviously racist, that one doesn’t need to censor him, he is very self explanatory. I think it’s important to have also this voice so that everybody could see that such views also exist. It gives the wider picture while censorship would blur it and leave a false impression that everybody in the world or at least on this site is rational, peace loving and progressive.

By: Mitchell Cohen

Mitchell Cohen — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:36:42 +0000

We might as well invite Edith Ann (remember her) back to this forum. She had nothing on this troll. Mya, moderators, anybody home?!?!

By: Joachim Martillo

Joachim Martillo — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:59 +0000

The problem with Jewish Nobel prize winners is the reduction of population with the Holocaust and the fact that the rate of Jewish Nobel prize winners began to increase far too fast in the 50s relative to the rate of Jewish Nobel Prize winners before the start of WW2.
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We can infer from the statistics that Jewish Nobel prize winners, who were not selecting tribally before WW2, became highly tribal after WW2.
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It is not inconceivable that they were encouraged to skew their voting in order to prove that Jews produced lots of good in the world and were neither murderous Soviets nor economic parasites.

By: Aaron the Fascist Troll

Aaron the Fascist Troll — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:15:08 +0000

By the way, in case anybody’s interested in Slezkine’s categories of Mercurians and Apollonians, the first chapter of his “The Jewish Century” is online for free, courtesy of Princeton University Press:

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s7819.html?iframe=true&width=100%&height=100%

That’s the only part of the book I’ve read.

By: Aaron the Fascist Troll

Aaron the Fascist Troll — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:06:33 +0000

OK, we’re getting close to the 200 comment mark. What’s the record here?

With all these similarities between Jews and overseas Chinese, it’s puzzling that you still reject the “Mercurian” label so strongly. Do you reject the “market-dominant minority” concept just as strongly?

Kevin MacDonald has drawn distinctions between Jews and other “Mercurians” such as overseas Chinese similar to yours. He says that Jews are a “hostile elite” in that Jews, unlike overseas Chinese and other Mercurians, culturally subvert the traditional host society. He calls Mercurians a “spurious” category, if I remember correctly. I can believe that what he says about Jews vs. others is often true, but still see the “Mercurian” category as very useful.

The quote by Ben-Gurion was horrifying. I think your gloss on it actually took away from its impact. If your goal is to persuade as well as to vent anger, I think some more restraint would help.

The idea that “the Jewish Nobel prize record is simply statistically impossible without Jewish favoritism toward fellow Jews” is just ridiculous. Do Kenyans win all those marathons because of Kenyan favoritism? And speaking of statistics, the correct comparison for Jewish criminals on Wall Street is with the crime rate among their gentile counterparts in finance (proportionate to those populations), not with the size of the gentile population as a whole.

By: Joachim Martillo

Joachim Martillo — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:58:34 +0000

Lindemann discusses some of the issues that Jack brings up in the conclusion to Esau’s Tears. Unfortunately, because Lindemann severely underestimates the crimes of Judeo-Bolshevism and does not really even address the crimes of Zionism, his analysis is skewed.
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It is worth mentioning that poor Jews are never as poor as poor Poles. Poor Poles still often live at subsistence levels. Jews in Poland invariably had higher incomes, higher education, longer lifespans, and better health than the non-Jews among whom they lived.
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Jews in historic Poland (and Germany) were part of the extractive elite that exploited the middle to lower bourgeoisie and the peasantry.
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Jews became angry at Polish aristocrats when the Polish aristocrats became opposed to exploitation and abuse of the Polish peasantry. (Solidarity was required to force the creation and an independent Poland.) In contrast German Jews and German aristocrats never became quite so estranged, and among German Nazis there was definitely an undercurrent of anger at German aristocrats and it parallel German Nazi anti-Semitism.
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It is not clear that there is any less Jewish cheating in academia or other non-business spheres than there is in business. I have corresponded with non-Jewish academics throughout the world that complain of Jewish academic favoritism throughout the world. Now that could simply be sour grapes, but the Jewish Nobel prize record is simply statistically impossible without Jewish favoritism toward fellow Jews.
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The problem with working for wealthy Jews or a wealthy overseas Chinese is obvious. The wealth of Jews or of Chinese historically has as much as possible gone into the Jewish community or into a Chinese clan and never come back out. If a poor Pole works for a rich Pole or a poor Malay works for a rich Malay, the poor may eventually get to see some of the money again via recirculation.
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E. Asia is not my specialty but I have the impression that overseas Chinese elites have actively tried to reform themselves in ways that Jewish elites do not.
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In addition overseas Chinese among non-Chinese simply do not have anything comparable to the Jewish record of targeted assassinations, mass murder, ethnic cleansing and genocide against non-Jews.
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I also do not see overseas Chinese subverting governments in the way international Zionists do.
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While overseas Chinese have some similarities to international Zionists, there are serious differences.

By: Jack Foreigner

Jack Foreigner — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:21:53 +0000

Parts of Joachim Martillo’s last few posts really resonated with me.

China’s my area of study, and this matter of Jews cheating in business remind me of all the complaints against ethnic Chinese throughout Asia, that they are economic parasites.

That such charges have been levied mostly by Muslims in Malaysia and Indonesia lends them less credence to me but the similarities with regards to European Jewry is striking. Of course, the Chinese do not have any sympathy in the West, no matter the pogroms against them, so in this respect the two cases are quite different.

As for the veracity of such claims, well, it’s true that Jews are an influence all out of proportion with their numbers in business in the West (but also many other spheres of life, such as education, the sciences, the arts, the law, and of course politics…and I’d even say the media, however impolite it is to acknowledge such a truth), and it’s also true that ethnic Chinese are an influence all out of proportion with their numbers in the economy throughout much of Asia (even Siberia, but not Korea and Japan, and nowhere with the same level of influence in other spheres of life)…but what’s interesting to me is the resentment that results, which in turn comes from people’s sense of self-identity.

A poor Jew obviously has more in common with a poor Pole, but somehow these two are antagonistic. Why? And why should a poor Malay be concerned that he’s working for a rich Chinese as opposed to a rich Malay??

It’s just instinctual, then, and something that we don’t so much grow out of as learn to better manage, this knee-jerk sense of racial/ethnic/cultural solidarity.