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	<title>Comments on: Migron evacuation proves Israel&#8217;s land policy is political, not legal</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 06:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Yehudi notes, there will indeed be injustices if there is ever an enforced pull out.  And the longer the occupation lasts, the greater the number of such injustices will be.  There are also injustices on the other side.  I suspect that a single State is inevitable.  If so, then you will indeed have a chance to show how to live along side one another.  It will be very difficult.  On all sides.  You will have to make them citizens; even then, all of the various &quot;you&quot;s will have reasons to resent and more.  There will be no simple path.  But I think you know that, living there, better than I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Yehudi notes, there will indeed be injustices if there is ever an enforced pull out.  And the longer the occupation lasts, the greater the number of such injustices will be.  There are also injustices on the other side.  I suspect that a single State is inevitable.  If so, then you will indeed have a chance to show how to live along side one another.  It will be very difficult.  On all sides.  You will have to make them citizens; even then, all of the various &#8220;you&#8221;s will have reasons to resent and more.  There will be no simple path.  But I think you know that, living there, better than I.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronxman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronxman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 09:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued:
2- The Arab-Israeli dispute is a conflict about land - and maybe just as crucially the water which flows through that land.
 
3- Heated arguments rage about the rights to the mountain aquifer. Israel, and Israeli settlements, take about 80% of the aquifer&#039;s flow, leaving the Palestinians with 20%.

Kolumn 9: Your response shows me that a nerve has been hit and this must indeed be an important issue. This is a real question and it has nothing to do with monetary costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued:<br />
2- The Arab-Israeli dispute is a conflict about land &#8211; and maybe just as crucially the water which flows through that land.</p>
<p>3- Heated arguments rage about the rights to the mountain aquifer. Israel, and Israeli settlements, take about 80% of the aquifer&#8217;s flow, leaving the Palestinians with 20%.</p>
<p>Kolumn 9: Your response shows me that a nerve has been hit and this must indeed be an important issue. This is a real question and it has nothing to do with monetary costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Kolumn9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kolumn9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 00:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bronxman, for everything you have listed, to maintain the Israeli water status quo the cost of replacing all the water resources in the West Bank is roughly $250M/year. That&#039;s it. Israel doesn&#039;t want to pay the extra $250M/year especially since it has gotten used to using the resources for free and the two biggest aquifers are shared across the borders, but the priority of the issue is still the equivalent of $250M/year - roughly 1/10th of 1 percent of GDP.

I actually thought you were asking a real question but you just wanted a reason to spout off propaganda. If I wanted to do that I could too have told you that Israel is suffering from droughts and that the Kinneret is at a certain level and the Dead Sea is at this other level and that desalinization is expensive, and that the water issue is an existential one but silly me, I actually provided you an objective answer. The water resources are not that important and their total replacement cost is $250M/year. Spin it any way you want, but in the future I&#039;ll make sure to ignore your BS questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bronxman, for everything you have listed, to maintain the Israeli water status quo the cost of replacing all the water resources in the West Bank is roughly $250M/year. That&#8217;s it. Israel doesn&#8217;t want to pay the extra $250M/year especially since it has gotten used to using the resources for free and the two biggest aquifers are shared across the borders, but the priority of the issue is still the equivalent of $250M/year &#8211; roughly 1/10th of 1 percent of GDP.</p>
<p>I actually thought you were asking a real question but you just wanted a reason to spout off propaganda. If I wanted to do that I could too have told you that Israel is suffering from droughts and that the Kinneret is at a certain level and the Dead Sea is at this other level and that desalinization is expensive, and that the water issue is an existential one but silly me, I actually provided you an objective answer. The water resources are not that important and their total replacement cost is $250M/year. Spin it any way you want, but in the future I&#8217;ll make sure to ignore your BS questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronxman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronxman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued:
4- The Palestinians say they are prevented from using their own water resources by Israel, forcing hundreds of thousands of people to buy water from their occupiers at inflated prices. 
5- Israel allocates to its citizens, including those living in settlements in the West Bank between three and five times more water than the Palestinians</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued:<br />
4- The Palestinians say they are prevented from using their own water resources by Israel, forcing hundreds of thousands of people to buy water from their occupiers at inflated prices.<br />
5- Israel allocates to its citizens, including those living in settlements in the West Bank between three and five times more water than the Palestinians</p>
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		<title>By: Bronxman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronxman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kolumn9:

I have followed up on the water issue in Israel and I’m learning a few things:

1- Water is indeed considered as a national resource of utmost importance. Water is vital to ensure the population&#039;s well-being and quality of life and to preserve the rural-agricultural sector. Israel has suffered from a chronic water shortage for years. In recent years however, the situation has developed into a crisis so severe that it is feared that by the next summer it may be difficult to adequately supply municipal and household water requirements. The current cumulative deficit in Israel&#039;s renewable water resources amounts to approximately 2 billion cubic meters, an amount equal to the annual consumption of the State

2- The Arab-Israeli dispute is a conflict about land - and maybe just as crucially the water which flows through that land.
 
3- Heated arguments rage about the rights to the mountain aquifer. Israel, and Israeli settlements, take about 80% of the aquifer&#039;s flow, leaving the Palestinians with 20%.

4- The Palestinians say they are prevented from using their own water resources by Israel, forcing hundreds of thousands of people to buy water from the government at inflated prices.
 
5- Israel allocates to its citizens, including those living in settlements in the West Bank between three and five times more water than the Palestinians.

&quot;It is unmentioned because it isn’t a very high priority&quot; ?  It looks like the exact opposite. 

I guess I&#039;m going to have to follow up elsewhere since this subject seems to be very much a high priority item for Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kolumn9:</p>
<p>I have followed up on the water issue in Israel and I’m learning a few things:</p>
<p>1- Water is indeed considered as a national resource of utmost importance. Water is vital to ensure the population&#8217;s well-being and quality of life and to preserve the rural-agricultural sector. Israel has suffered from a chronic water shortage for years. In recent years however, the situation has developed into a crisis so severe that it is feared that by the next summer it may be difficult to adequately supply municipal and household water requirements. The current cumulative deficit in Israel&#8217;s renewable water resources amounts to approximately 2 billion cubic meters, an amount equal to the annual consumption of the State</p>
<p>2- The Arab-Israeli dispute is a conflict about land &#8211; and maybe just as crucially the water which flows through that land.</p>
<p>3- Heated arguments rage about the rights to the mountain aquifer. Israel, and Israeli settlements, take about 80% of the aquifer&#8217;s flow, leaving the Palestinians with 20%.</p>
<p>4- The Palestinians say they are prevented from using their own water resources by Israel, forcing hundreds of thousands of people to buy water from the government at inflated prices.</p>
<p>5- Israel allocates to its citizens, including those living in settlements in the West Bank between three and five times more water than the Palestinians.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is unmentioned because it isn’t a very high priority&#8221; ?  It looks like the exact opposite. </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m going to have to follow up elsewhere since this subject seems to be very much a high priority item for Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 08:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Land under the UN Resolution enabling the foundation of the State of Israel, to which the Israeli Declaration of Independence agreed, is under that State&#039;s control under its own laws.  Tel Aviv is solely an Israeli internal matter.  Past the Green Line, large settlements like Aerial, may be here to stay.  Clearly, however, the creation of more, or expansion of the vanguard settlement boundaries, acts for force resident Palestinians on less land under any accord.  Each expansion holds fidelity to the principle of lebensraum--land taken for the designated superior at cost to prior residents.

I suspect the High Court will not void verifiable deeds because similar deeds have been involved in the sale of land within Israel.  To void the deeds in one place could create a legal precedent for voiding them elsewhere, causing much confusion.  The Court has shown no interest in stopping the vanguard settlements as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Land under the UN Resolution enabling the foundation of the State of Israel, to which the Israeli Declaration of Independence agreed, is under that State&#8217;s control under its own laws.  Tel Aviv is solely an Israeli internal matter.  Past the Green Line, large settlements like Aerial, may be here to stay.  Clearly, however, the creation of more, or expansion of the vanguard settlement boundaries, acts for force resident Palestinians on less land under any accord.  Each expansion holds fidelity to the principle of lebensraum&#8211;land taken for the designated superior at cost to prior residents.</p>
<p>I suspect the High Court will not void verifiable deeds because similar deeds have been involved in the sale of land within Israel.  To void the deeds in one place could create a legal precedent for voiding them elsewhere, causing much confusion.  The Court has shown no interest in stopping the vanguard settlements as such.</p>
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		<title>By: ish yehudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>ish yehudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one big problem with the general 972 perspective (very clear here) is your abject, political refusal to recognize that MANY settlements are built on land legally purchased by Jews from also their LOCAL owners (not just absentees).
 I live in a yishuv that is part of a 600 dunam parcel of former grazing land that the local muhktar sold to Jews 100 years ago. Its now a settlement that gets easily lumped in all your rhetoric and doesn&#039;t acknowledge the entire world of local reality.
 Why should we be boycotted? what justice will that serve? what will it prove- that we can&#039;t ever live alongside each other? 
 Sometimes it seems the left is much more interested in clearing its conscious than finding a working solution based on the peoples on the ground...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one big problem with the general 972 perspective (very clear here) is your abject, political refusal to recognize that MANY settlements are built on land legally purchased by Jews from also their LOCAL owners (not just absentees).<br />
 I live in a yishuv that is part of a 600 dunam parcel of former grazing land that the local muhktar sold to Jews 100 years ago. Its now a settlement that gets easily lumped in all your rhetoric and doesn&#8217;t acknowledge the entire world of local reality.<br />
 Why should we be boycotted? what justice will that serve? what will it prove- that we can&#8217;t ever live alongside each other?<br />
 Sometimes it seems the left is much more interested in clearing its conscious than finding a working solution based on the peoples on the ground&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kolumn9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kolumn9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unmentioned because it isn&#039;t a very high priority. Israel extracts about 500 million cubic meters of water from the West Bank, including from aquifers that are shared across the border. The cost for desalinization is about .50c-.60c / cubic meter. So, even in the scenario where Israel loses access to any and all the water sitting in these aquifers it is a total loss of $250-$300M to a $240B economy (about one tenth of one percent). Here is a link: http://www.mideastweb.org/westbankwater.htm 

You can google for &#039;water resource map west bank&#039; for other maps.

Settlements don&#039;t have significant value in securing water resources because aquifers cover very large territorial areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unmentioned because it isn&#8217;t a very high priority. Israel extracts about 500 million cubic meters of water from the West Bank, including from aquifers that are shared across the border. The cost for desalinization is about .50c-.60c / cubic meter. So, even in the scenario where Israel loses access to any and all the water sitting in these aquifers it is a total loss of $250-$300M to a $240B economy (about one tenth of one percent). Here is a link: <a href="http://www.mideastweb.org/westbankwater.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mideastweb.org/westbankwater.htm</a> </p>
<p>You can google for &#8216;water resource map west bank&#8217; for other maps.</p>
<p>Settlements don&#8217;t have significant value in securing water resources because aquifers cover very large territorial areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronxman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronxman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since control of water sources are an unmentioned high priority in the region I wonder if there are any geologic maps available to the public detailing this precious resource. I&#039;m curious if there are any connections with the location of settlements. Does anyone have any information or comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since control of water sources are an unmentioned high priority in the region I wonder if there are any geologic maps available to the public detailing this precious resource. I&#8217;m curious if there are any connections with the location of settlements. Does anyone have any information or comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Kolumn9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kolumn9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel has figured out how to live with the Palestinians here. It is just that neither you nor the Palestinians like it, but that doesn&#039;t in itself mean that it is untenable or that alternatives exist.

I would have thought that you would at least momentarily celebrate the ethnic cleansing of Jews, but I suppose some people aren&#039;t going to be happy until the Palestinians celebrate the ethnic cleansing of all the Jews from the Middle East.

As for &#039;its power will one day run out&#039;, this is another veiled vague future threat that is absolutely meaningless. If Israel&#039;s power one day runs out then it will likely disappear regardless of whether Maale Adumim exists or not. As such, much like the rest of the article, you are really saying nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel has figured out how to live with the Palestinians here. It is just that neither you nor the Palestinians like it, but that doesn&#8217;t in itself mean that it is untenable or that alternatives exist.</p>
<p>I would have thought that you would at least momentarily celebrate the ethnic cleansing of Jews, but I suppose some people aren&#8217;t going to be happy until the Palestinians celebrate the ethnic cleansing of all the Jews from the Middle East.</p>
<p>As for &#8216;its power will one day run out&#8217;, this is another veiled vague future threat that is absolutely meaningless. If Israel&#8217;s power one day runs out then it will likely disappear regardless of whether Maale Adumim exists or not. As such, much like the rest of the article, you are really saying nothing.</p>
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