Comments on: Lovely summer for a war

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:11:58 +0000

The talks with Iran have crashed. I’m sure it will be spun as they are a victim, just abiding by their right as a signatory under the Non-proliferation treaty.

5% enrichment offered, reported 20% enriched materials offered but supervised, rejected.

Because they didn’t allow for 20% enriched uranium to be delivered. Iran reportedly wanted the embargo lifted first.

Huh? Did I miss something? Maybe the summary was innaccurate.

By: klang

klang — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:02:25 +0000

Larry
I agree with you that war clouds may be on the horizon. Might be a good time for you and your family to exercise your right of return to Boyle Heights

By: Alan

Alan — Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:53:51 +0000

If Bibi doesn’t bomb Iran, I believe Obama would deserve a lot of credit for doing everything in his power to prevent it– though I doubt this would cause many on the far left to change their view that AIPAC calls the shots no matter who is president.

By: caden

caden — Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:26:23 +0000

Hey, my dog loves me. BTW, is that your real name. Engelbert

By: Engelbert Luitsz

Engelbert Luitsz — Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:18:48 +0000

LOL, Larry, you almost make Caden look like a nice person now. I guess it’s all relative.

By: caden

caden — Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:33:35 +0000

I don’t like it from anybody, right or left.

By: caden

caden — Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:31:58 +0000

Thank you Larry, I know sometimes I’m out there but I really am sensitive about Nazi analogies.

By: Larry Derfner

Larry Derfner — Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:32:26 +0000

My apologies to CADEN for banning his comments. Instead, I am banning REHMAT. On his blogs, he throws the word “Jew” around as a pejorative, he notes the Jewish parentage of people he criticizes, he called the IMF and World Bank “Zionist-controlled,” he gave credence to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, he put quotation marks around the word “gassing” when writing about what the Nazis did to the Jews, he wrote that the terrorist massacre in Mumbai was an Israeli “false flag” op… I’d say he counts as an anti-Semite.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:41:34 +0000

Larry,
If there is no prospect of normalization of relations, even to the extent of US/USSR diplomatic relations during the cold war (ENEMIES!!!), then conflict is inevitable.

It is a good effort to make sure that that conflict is minimally violent.

Its unclear to me what is that math.

With the secondary Iranian enrichment plant deeply underground and considered impenetrable, then two things come out of that from my perspective.

1. It is vain for Israel to undertake a military effort to accomplish stopping the nuclear program, but might be a message of another sort. “If you aggress, we will aggress, whether in response or anticipatory”.

2. That a limited strike might not invoke the grand retaliatory response, but might just continue to ratchet up tensions, to the point of grand confrontation.

I personally consider the Hezbollah mass violence to civilians through its rocket arsenal to be literally more immoral than a single limited military attack on a specific small set of sites, remote from civilian areas.

I’m horribly disappointed that “peace activists” don’t invest literally any effort into seeking to reduce that unilateral threat on civilians.

If your argument is to not provoke the evil monster that would be willing to expose Jewish and other Israelis to mass death, then that seems to conform with the right-wing description that Iran and Hezbollah are inhuman fanatic beasts, more ethno-nationalistically oriented than Israel even.

How do tensions get lessoned, in an environment in which Iran is demonstrably ratcheting up tensions.

Its not necessary for it to have a weapons grade enrichment program. The rationalization that they do not have a weapons program currently is mute, given that they do have the sharia out that defense renders what would otherwise be immoral to be justifiable, similar to halacha and right-wing Zionist credo.

In the war with Iraq, once Iraq attacked (horridly), Iran responded very very harshly. They were not pansies, or else the war would not have ended in a stalemate. They were agressive, harsh.

And, in war, it is ALWAYS civilians that get the brunt, especially from innaccurate weapons, and they were willing to harm civilians in their effort to defend.

In the case of Hezbollah, attacking civlians is emphasized.

By: caden

caden — Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:19:19 +0000

Are you telling me that Pat Buchanan didn’t have a prediliction for Nazi war criminals. And that Rehmat doesn’t constantly provide links to holocaust denial sites.