15 comments for ”Jaffa, habibti, our relationship is complicated“

    
  1. I am not familiar with the situation in Yafo, but I do know there are often two sides to every story.
    It is no secret that there is frequently tension between Arabs and Jews in the mixed cities and regions (Lod, Akko, the Gailil) , particularly since the Islamic movement has become active. A common problem is turning the mosque’s loudspeaker on full blast at 4:00 in the morning. I am sure you remember the riots in Akko on Yom Kippur a couple of years ago. There was also the tragic incident in Kfar Tavor when Arabs came on Yom Kippur and drove noisily through the city in order to show who is “boss” and they ran over and killed a local girl.
    It is possible that the Shabbat demonstrations are a response to provocations that radical Islamists have been carrying out. Otherwise I can not see why the religious Jews living in Yafo would want ongoing trouble with their neighbors.
    But, let us say there are some Jewish troublemakers. The best way to deal with it is first to go make contact with the leaders of their community and you tell them that it is wrong to make noise in front of their mosque.
    If that doesn’t work, then the next step is to go make a complaint to the municipal authorities. Tel-Aviv-Yafo is not Jerusalem, it is a largely secular city with strong Left-wing representation in the municipal council (why haven’t they done anything about the poor municipal services in Yafo if they are so committed to co-existenc) so I would expect a strong response by the police and municipal authorities to breaking of the law.
    This is what needs to be done, not organzing a demonstrations with radical Arabs who go around screaming “death the Jews!”. I know that is much more fun for some Leftists but it is counterproductive.

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  3. Very good article Lisa .

    ” Jaffa radicalized me, in a way ”

    The National-Religious have radicalized all of us Lisa , Judea and Samaria are now occupying us.

    http://972mag.com/to-such-an-israel-i-shall-be-a-traitor/

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  5. Lisa-
    Could you please enlighten me regarding where I was wrong, and could you relate to my suggestions about how to deal with the problem rather than by having noisy demonstrations?

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  7. I loved living in Jaffa. I still miss it. I lived in peace with all my neighbors. These days you can get stoned by kids just for looking Jewish and passing by the future settlement in Ajami. Moving there now would make me feel like a settler and I know Jewish people who are leaving because of that.
    I had had other problems in Jaffa. I didn’t like walking alone on Yefet St or Jerusalem Blvd. after dark. I didn’t like the junkies walking around, the drug deals under my window, the kids shouting until 2:00 am, the loud music from the neighbor’s window. (what is it with Jaffoites and cheesy 80′s songs?) I found myself changing my miniskirt to jeans before going to the grocery store so I wouldn’t get unwanted calls and attention from the shabab (Arab youth). I moved back to Tel-Aviv because I wanted to feel safe and free and I do, but this neighborhood doesn’t have amazing Russian delis or beautiful park on the sea shore. There are no magnificent Palestinian houses, neighbors that bring you delicious cakes; there are no community organizer cosmeticians who use only ‘balady’ (natural) ingredients. There’s no flea market and no mind boggling hummus and no giant fish restaurants with waiters singing happy birthday on the hour. I have to admit: this homogeneous down town neighborhood bores me to death.

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  9. As someone with a similar political agenda who moved to Jaffa two years ago, I really liked your article. I can’t say that moving her (from Baka in Jerusalem) politicized me but it has certainly made me a lot more sensitive to socio-economic issues and introduced me to an Israel I have never experienced before.

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  11. Very interesting….almost all the “progressives” or “Leftists” (or whatever you want to call yourselves) I have encountered in cyberspace have the same response…they do not want to talk to people who disagree with them. I was banned by Leonard Fine of American Friends of Peace Now because , although he is a fine fellow and never insulted me, he said he also was tired of talking to peopl who disagreed with him and he wanted to keep the discussion “within the family”.
    I actually would have welcomed learning about the situation in Yafo because, believe it or not, I strongly oppose the actions of Jews you described as happening in Yafo. However, I must come to the conclusion that there apparently is truth in what I said about there being previous Arab provocations, so I presume that you feel that getting into a discussion of it would damage the propaganda line here at 972. I am not interested in convincing you of my position and I do not read your writings in order to be convinced. I want to know the facts. The situation in Yafo is important and I thought I might find out something about it here. I guess I was wrong. But I am always checking my position which is why I spend most of my time reading views that disagree with mine.
    In a similar vein, I have repeatedly asked Yossi Gurvitz why the Arabs should make peace with Israel since he himself believes the Zionist movement is wrong and Jews have no right to make aliyah. Like you he refused to answer me other that to say he likes “Peace”, (presumably in the way he may like chocolate ice cream rather than vanilla).

    I must say I do take political comfort from your stand, it shows you do not feel you can argue your position in a free discussion and you prefer to engage in polemics. It just confirms my belief that the FACTS are with my side.

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  13. Lisa, Thank you for modeling civility in discourse, which means that in some situations and with some discussants, when the discourse becomes circular, pointless, and a waste of resources, it ceases to be discourse and hence, cannot continue.

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  15. I liked the piece Lisa, I wonder though… what is the difference between Tel Aviv in relation to Yafa and Jerusalem in relation to East Jerusalem… that is to say there are clear power relations clear points of Yehud of the Other, and sometimes it matters not the ideologies of the Israeli Jews who are moving there but rather their physical presence… At the same time, well, the old paradigms of separation and parallel (‘co’) existence need to shift to an effort of fluidity, social, political, physical, entanglement…

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  17. One of the most honest, cogent and thought provoking articles ever published regarding the interaction of Israeli and Arab citizens of Israel.
    Expertize is not difficult to acquire on any number of subjects via serious news organs, but drawing personal and relevant conclusions from one’s own experience is not what one reads, or expects to read every day in the various media.
    My heart felt congratulation for a well nigh peace of reportage.

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  19. I deleted this comment because it was rude and did not make any positive contribution to the conversation in this thread. I will delete any related comments. (Lisa)

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  21. [...] not a resident of Jaffa at the moment and on one hand I do agree with what my friend Lisa wrote in this post, mainly about the complicated relationship with Jaffa. On the other hand, you can’t disregard [...]

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  23. Excellent piece.



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