11 comments for ”Debate: Does J14 herald a new political era in Israel?“

    
  1. Just a quick note regarding Mairav’s point – it’s simply inaccurate to say settlers are not participating in the protests. It’s true housing is not, to say the least, a problem in settlements, but settlers represent a nearly complete cross-section of Israeli society and are affected by many of the other issues concerning the protests. Because the settlements were by and large conceived as commuter towns, the settlers’ actual centres of lives are in Israel’s big cities – especially in Jerusalem. And you can certainly find settlers in and around tent camps in Jerusalem and lots and lots of them on Rothschild blvd.

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  3. The protests certainly represent an unexpected development in Israel, in comparison to the same “old” focus on the conflict and the West Bank and foreign policy. But I think we should be careful about confusing something new and different with dramatic change in Israeli politics. There are many structural factors that have the potential to contain the protests and temper their implications. For a pessimistic take on them, see: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brent-sasley/a-pessimistic-take-on-israeli-protests_b_921123.html

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  5. Is it a real political movement? “Yes it is, no it isn’t.” Back and forth it goes.

    While the relative absence of concern with the Occupation is concerning in itself, the movement doesn’t seem to have done much with a hurting middle classes’ calls for change. No coherent policy or political calls or platform or grand strategy has emerged from the tents. Avrum Burg, Ahmad Tibi and Mairav Zonszein’s cautious descriptions paint this fleeting preoccupation with narrow self-interest best.

    It will go nowhere.

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  7. Dimi, it’s not so much about whether there are settlers in tents or who visit and identify with the tents, or even about whether they indeed have similar economic woes – rather it is about shared values and lifestyles – and How a movement about social justice can include those who live in a geographic area that is under constant military control and that is currently considered by the international community to be disputed and occupied territory and by Israelis behind the Green Line to be an economic burden. Not because settlers are bad people, but because their reality is simply different

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  9. I say the same thing to all commentators: A call for a Constitutional Convention, perhaps made by a new party (or revived old party) running for the Knesset, will 1) leave the agenda for change open to some degree, so 2) keep a diverse coalition alive, perhaps growing. In any case you cannot resolve the economic issues quickly; a convention call, with party movement to that end, will keep short term goals alive. As to the occupation, that will play out, if you keep participation expansive. Economically, the role of the occupation is obvious. Let that come of its own as things progress. If you make this against the settlers from the start you risk falling into the trap of old political discourse. Thak you, Israel, for being–still–alive.

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  11. Change the dysfunctional political system and everything will follow especially increased sense of RESPONSIBILITY, real trickle down from Knesset members to general populace.

    Each knesset seat must represent a specific geographic location in Israel. Each chaver knesset is voted IN or voted OUT by his/her constituents. NO safe lists for professional Politicians….just representing their constituents and thus empowerment of their constituents to VOTE OUT their knesset representative.

    Also remove automatic pensions for chevrei knesset till they have served several terms in office, not just 1 term.

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  13. MK Tibi, Avrum, Aziz and Dimi: All you say is true, was true 4 weeks ago and without j14, would have continue to be true for years. All of us are the ones who fought against this reality for a long time, without any success. The opposite is true: for so long we have been in defense as right wing policy and discourse were attacking hard, and pushed us to the corner more harder and harder. Will j14 be the turning point toward progressive policy? I don’t know. I do know two thing: 1. It’s the only true chance for such a change; 2. It’s so inspiring, one just cannot remain indifferent.

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  15. Go Israeli middle class. I hope to see the U.S. middle class marching next.

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  17. Yes, I think it’s the beginning of a new political era in Israel.
    Because something totally unexpected happened: the Israeli people’s political awakening, which challenges explicitly the political system & electoral system and its official culture (by ‘its official culture’, I don’t mean Zionism: I mean rightist nationalism).
    Look, before the protests it was impossible for an independent thinker to say anything without being asked by The Siamese-Twins, aka Hasbarists & Anti-Zionists, to duplicate their Ying & Yang De-Legitimizing mantras; now it seems possible to think and talk to each other out of the Propaganda Zone.
    What a relief!
    So it seems to me that the Israeli protesters have expressed their will to get out of The Situation vs The Occupation’s Drama to question the real social & economical issues which concern all the Israelis; and I found it very unjust to accuse them of being ‘apolitical’.
    I hope this social movement & cultural revolution will succeed to bring back a fair language in the political debate, which will address the real issues concerning all the Israelis: social justice for all. Therefore I hope that all the Israeli citizens will have soon the same civil rights; it will not address the conflict between the state of Israel and the Palestinian people (and the Arab countries), but it would be a good start, which doesn’t threaten the very existence of Israel.
    Post-scriptum: I’m not an activist, and I don’t pretend to know what I ignore; so it’s just what I understand and hope (and, of course, I agree totally with Tamar Zandberg’s words), being a French citizen with a French cultural background. If it makes sense, tant mieux, if it sounds blah blah, I apologize

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  19. This is big step in Israel society, this protest showed: protestor are wise and enough brave to go to street and show their unsatisfaction from government. I believe soon in future these braave people will force government to understand the meaning of justice. Occupation and grabing land from other people does not represent Jews. When I read the recent history of US, I’ll see Jwish people are in front line for freedon, obviously these people won’t let this unjustice policy continue in their country. God bless protester.

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  21. So only 7 among +972′s followers have something personal
    to say about this discussion?
    What does it mean?
    Is it so unthinkable nowadays to think by oneself?
    Without road signs?



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