16 comments for ”J14: No need to bring up the occupation – it’s the capitalism, stupid!“

    
  1. But Rick, what you fail to take into account is that the “occupation” is about money, too. If you want to see what is driving something to happen, “follow the money”. So who profits from the Occupation? Developers, construction companies, military suppliers, etc. who then whip up the nationalist and/or religious meshuganehs to fall into line. Plus by not having affordable housing within the green line they create an economic incentive for Israelis with no particular political or religious leaning, who just want a house over their head, to move across the Green Line (and then add their voices to continuing the occupation to protect their own self interests). So the issues are are very interwoven…..

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  3. The economic threads connecting London, Tel Aviv, Madrid, Athens, Wisconsin…are undeniable. And while I agree with your assessment that the J14 protests are centrally rooted in economic issues, I would also argue that there would be nothing inconsistent with expanding them at some stage to geopolitical issues (such as the settlements and the occupation), for those issues also have, aside from the ideological foundations, connective economic threads.

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  5. eep! the Labor party just got ressurected on 972!

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  7. It seems to me that a justice movement will not be able to grow if ignores any symptoms. And isn’t the occupation and the militarism it embeds into your society is an elephant sitting right on your throat?

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  10. David Harris-Gershon ==
    Didn’t the Republicans win most of the recall elections in Wisconsin, in spite of the fact that the Democrats and Trade Unions poured in huge amounts of money into the Democratic campaign against the Republicans?

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  12. Couple of comments. If it is true that about 5% of Israeli society pooled out into the streets and it’s as hard as you describe it to hear chants for (Israeli) Arabs rights in housing and land, then it’s not only the Knesset that has a serious racist problem. Sorry to say that. I am not talking about the occupation or the Arabs beyond 67, the ones who will hardly see a viable state of their own (takes to where they should end up?), I am talking about non-Jewish citizens of Israel. They too are having problems, money problems. You can’t have an apartheid system and ask for social justice.

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  14. A society and a state built on ethnic cleansing, looting, and land grab, will never see social justice until it is taken apart and dismantled.

    Christians, Muslims, Jews, and all others..hand in hand.. will free Palestine from the river to the sea.

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  16. @Ami Kaufman: Calm down. You are correct, I think, that personal survival and economic security will drive protests. You are right, too, I think, that economics will force a hard look at the occupation. But Ben Israel is right that in the US a right “leave me alone” populism is ascendant. You are wrong, I suspect, in saying that Israelis are fine with the present Knesset; rather, Israelis have been told that nothing else is possible. They seem to be redefining “possible” at the moment.

    Let these people tell you what they are. Do not tell them; I suspect they are rather tired of that. Those of +972 have worked hard and risked hard to be in a place to report and analyze these protests. But if you tell them what they are, you will be making the same mistake as standard Right and Left.

    I still say,and will continue to say, call for a Constitutional Convention. Your analysis is compatible with such a call. And this call does not tell them what they must be.

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  20. The Demonstrations for Social Justice and a Welfare State are SOOOO important!!

    I hope the people involved will see the opportunity at hand.

    With a Parliamentary system, Israel now has the opportunity to create a strong new political party that my sweep the coming elections. If the demonstrations continue and people can see beyond their divisions and stay united, a new vision can be created and put into action.

    At least i hope deeply that these protest will bring down Natanyahu, his government with it’s gangster economics and fascist policies, and create space for something better.

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  22. am an Israeli.
    Me and my friends are not poor people, have high educations, god jobs, enjoy our life, love our democracy and freedom.
    However we are taking part in the social protest because we think that major corrections should be done in our society.

    Not to revolution- Yes to evolution!
    Not to pure capitalism, communism, socialism!
    Yes to a learning form mistakes and make correction- adaptive system for the benefit of the citizens.
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    I am for:
    1: Power to the people:
    The governmental system should be changed:
    Presidential government-direct elected.
    Parliament members-direct elected.
    Parliament t members will not take part in the government
    2: Econamical incentives to citizens contributing to society.
    *Differentiate social priorities and benefits:
    The ones fulfilling their citizen’s ship duties should be get priority on affordable housing, cheep education from children garden up university, lower income duties, lower and differentiated indirect taxes example the VAT
    3: The government should encourage:
    *Increase national income by pursing unproductive sectors to join the working citizens
    * Provide government incentives to start ups committing build in Israel in addition of development centers local manufacturing as well.
    * Industry and start ups to move from Tel Aviv area to peripheries.

    I oppose:
    * New elections ahead of the 4 years elected period
    *Demands to changing the current government
    *Connecting the protest to foreign policy
    *Politicians attempt to split the people between left, right, secular, religions, Ashkenazi, Sfaradi .
    *Increase budget deficit

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  24. the only real thing that the demonstrators is about is learning to behave as a people.

    we tend to think that zionism has overcome shtetl mentality by the simple fact of establishing an independant state able to defend itself.

    it has not

    shtetl mentality (from any origin) is the main problem of israeli society. it induces inter alia the feeling that you can’t control your own destiny.

    the other is always to blame – be it the PA or the arab league or president Obama.

    what this protest is all about is learning to regain control and letting some of the warmth of the too known way of thinking fade away.

    it won’t be the last step (if there is ever such a step) but only one one the way.

    getting out of the shtetl is a long path much longer than what Herzl could have ever imagined

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  26. “I am for:
    1: Power to the people:”
    Which people?

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  28. Here is what Al Jazeera allows an Isreli
    (or an Israeli-activist to say, on page 2 of a column of the article:
    ”Its time for all Palestinians to be heard”

    MA- posts:

    Its time to take care of the Palesnian
    ”problem”. Outrigth Genocide is the only way to cure the middle east of one of its worst problems every arab or muslim country would be freed of the pest that is the Palestinians, they are squators, are illetered and posses violent nature(…)Jews towns will be infested with Palestinian vermin. End it once and for all the rest of the muslim arab asia negroid countries would be better off sorting their own problems witouth refugee arab crab louse that is the Palestinian.
    P.S. flagg is useles.
    Thank you Al Jazeera and thank you all, for the bla bla. We are reliving European Jewish Third Reich nostalgia. That is the question.

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  30. Most Israelis are not oblivious to the Occupation, but just don’t see a way of ending it whilst maintaining security. So yes its seen as separate but one that has to be legitimately sidelined for now if we want to move forward with other non security issues.

    But its not making Israel apartheid. On the contrary, as more Israeli Arabs come in to the mainstream, joining Israeli Jews and demonstrating freely, it is another sign of the increasing emancipation of minorities in Israel, and long may it continue.



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