19 comments for ”Israel’s Nakba Law: Is it time for civil disobedience?“

    
  1. why should any government fund one-sided, propagandic narratives designed to divide a nation?

    the arabs were not a passive victim to israel’s independence. they lost a war and instead of fessing up to the decades of self-destruction they resort to half-truths like the “nakba.”

    it is the palestinians who peddle the victimhood, not israel.

    israel is a winner. all muslim states can do is bitch, moan, and complain. if israel is so terrible feel free to move.

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  3. The unprecedented degree to which the Nakba has been discussed in the media today shows that Rotem’s law has been an overwhelming success. – For raising awareness of the Nakba, that is!

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  5. your first suggestion reminds me a fellow arab student who(at 21),sadly, didn’t know what decision 181 is.the narratives are 1-dimensioned and severely lacking in both sides.speaking of valuing the truth…

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  7. From what I read the Nakba isn’t about history but about politics, including the right of return.
    Israelis need to learn history. In that context, I think that the level of knowledge Israelis have about the history of the Jews in Arab countries is much more appalling than their ignorance of the Arab “narrative” called Nakba.
    I also think that the Arab Palestinians may learn from the Jewish history that remembering olden days doesn’t create a Home; it’s the view of a better future that does.

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  9. The so called Nakba has 2 aspects:
    1) The grief of the approx. 600,000 people who lost their home following a war their leaders insigated
    2) The unique historical development in which the Arab states decided to forbid the integration of these people into their countries, despite the fact that they created the problem and the UN’s management of this refugee problem in a way that ensured its perpetuation: a dedicated agency, higher pay, inheritance of the status.
    Obviously, their political agenda was / is more important than the lives of the refugees.

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  11. @Max
    The Nakba has many aspects:
    1) The Israeli chasing away the Palestinians
    2) Denial of Palestinians ROR
    3) Denial of Palestinians civil rights in Israel
    4) Denial by Israeli
    5) Refusal of the world to force Israel to recognize Palestinian rights.
    6) Misery for 5 Million or so Palestinians (many did follow your advice and integrated somewhere else)
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    Israel is responsible for the first four, do not lay the blame with others.

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  13. here is the macro picture
    1) Israelis exercise their right of return to Eurpoe
    2) Palestinians exercise their right of return to Palestine

    only then will there be peace. I hope that the 972 staff will be out to defend the Arab who is unjustly accused of a terrorist attack today

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  15. Director, so we finally find points of disagreement!
    I have a simplistic view, in which I differentiate between people, leaders and nations and use historical parallels to assess relative culpability.
    You have a sophisticated view where the cause and effect are interchangeable and time is amorphous.
    BTW I didn’t understand your 4th point

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  17. “1) Israelis exercise their right of return to Eurpoe
    2) Palestinians exercise their right of return to Palestine
    only then will there be peace.”

    Wow, aren’t you a bigot. Forget the fact that the majority of Israel’s population are decedents of Jewish expelled from Muslim states?

    Why don’t you go back to Europe you American settler. Seriously, leave.

    And the Arab world should leave the land they stole and go back to Arabia. The Russians should pull out and go back to the East. Whites should South Africa.

    Right right right?

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  19. @max, Point four is not for you, but the Nakba law comes close to official state denial.
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    As for sophisticated, I am simple, villagers and town people chased (or that fled) from their houses should after 49 have been allowed to return. I am not interested in the process, that just complicates things.
    In the now Israel better starts working on a fair one or two state solution.

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  21. Director,
    1) The law: it really comes down to the question of what the Nakba means… if it simply means “in parallel to your joy of independence, remember that 600,000 people lost their home to make your country bigger than expected”, then I agree; if the meaning is “you have no rights here” – why would a government pay for that?
    2) RoR: as if nothing happened, and please try again next time? As I challenged you on another post: any precedences?
    3) 2-state: all with you, it’s a f***g problem of trust / security that needs to be solved (a 1-state can’t be Jewish)

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  23. [...] & Adi Ophir Yossi Gurvitz: Rightwing group publishes Nakba denial booklet Dahlia Scheindlin: Nakba Law: Is it time for civil disobedience? Noam Sheizaf: Why Jews need to talk about the Nakba Comments2|Tags  2 comments for [...]

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  25. “Trying to legislate history out of existence means losing touch with reality”

    classic 972 straw man hyperbole: denying public money to an ideological agenda does not take anything away from the history, which is well documented, and studied at the highest level of Israeli academia. It would be nice if 972 could actually respond to the reality of what’s happening in Israel instead of writing about a fictional world that is created for straw man infotainment purposes

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  27. “In the big picture, Israel is laying the emotional groundwork for ethnic conflict”
    —>Actually its doing the opposite, by attempting to head-off the Palestinianization of Israeli Arabs. Ethnic conflict requires morale, which BDS and 972 are eager to provide to Israeli Arabs. For there to be a conflict, both sides need to believe they can win; letting Israeli Arabs use state money to campaign against Jewish self-determination and security would help to create that belief.
    “also informs us that the Nakba exists to destroy the international recognition of the State of Israel’s right to exist, and to convict Israel for crimes it didn’t commit”
    —>It does–> it serves a purpose corollary to the Nakba-denying Zionist version of history–>the “Nakba” is not the foundation of mutual tolerance and understanding, it is the ideological foundation of perpetual war
    “If Arabs in Israel hear, over and over, that they are seeking the final destruction of Israel, they might eventually begin to believe it – and no one should be surprised”
    —>A hypocritical inversion of reality, since the Israeli Arab leadership is the main culprit, and hysterical leftist activists like 972 are the ones sowing the seeds of panic about laws that would not raise an eyebrow in any other democracy, and which already exist in many
    “In the big picture, the debate surrounding this law has spawned hate-mongering and low-intelligence provocation.”
    —>coming dangerously close to acknowledging 972′s incitement here
    “Palestinians will benefit by knowing that they have partners in Israeli society who seek mutual respect and understanding –and value the truth.”
    —>hilarious. Actually, they’ll just thank you and ask when the Jews are going to be expelled from Safed and other places
    “So if democratic values continue to erode, we shouldn’t be surprised.”
    —>You’re right. As long as 972 and co. continues to incite Israeli Arabs into a nationalist confrontation with Israeli Jews, democratic values will erode.
    “Democracy values whole truths, not half or one-sided”
    —>you’re right, which is why the Nakba version of history, which is rendered non-history by omission of Arab crimes, is not the whole truth. Nothing is stopping education institutions from teaching 1948 accurately. Mourning is different activity. Its kind of hard to imagine anyone accusing the USA of being undemocratic because it does not use taxpayer money to lament wounded knee or the trail of tears. The events are taught in school, which is enough. 972 “democracy”=not Israel.
    “That’s why free speech does not cover incitement to violence, for example”
    —>Yes, I suppose today’s events were totally nonviolent. All the stone throwing want is for Israel to let Arabs use public money to lament the Nakba, then they’ll be satisfied that “free speech” exists and will calm down. Because mythologizing the “Nakba” doesn’t really tend to incite anyone to violence around here or anything…

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  29. i bet this richard troll is richard silverstein. always prowling the net to spread his propaganda.

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  31. @Dahlia
    sorry my bad, twas a bit lot
    @Abban Aziz
    I’m confused. Based on your posts it looks like we agree. Why the hostility?

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  33. Richard: sarcasm



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