Comments on: Israel’s n**** word: efforts to teach it, and attempts to erase it http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Sat, 25 May 2013 03:21:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61586 Kolumn9 Wed, 16 May 2012 22:51:44 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61586 @Greg, the notion that many Arab Israeli citizens would prefer that Israel disappear to be replaced by something else is completely independent of any thoughts of the economy. What is this obsession with economics? It is like thinking that Israel was built by people who cared primarily about the economy. . I don't define people like Raed Salah or Haneen Zuabi or Azmi Bishara. They exist and seem to have quite a bit of support among Israeli Arabs. I didn't classify them as radical, just that they have a vision of a future without Israel and I am not going to pretend that they are marginal. It is indeed inane to to pretend that everyone at a Nakba ceremony thinks identically, and yet it is equally absurd to believe that an event created by the PLO and organized by groups that reject Israel's existence is not a political event with a distinct narrative and goal. Even if you point to Israeli Jewish organizations behind the gatherings like Zochrot you are pointing to an organization that was founded by someone who 'wants to live as a minority in a democratic country'. @Greg, the notion that many Arab Israeli citizens would prefer that Israel disappear to be replaced by something else is completely independent of any thoughts of the economy. What is this obsession with economics? It is like thinking that Israel was built by people who cared primarily about the economy.
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I don’t define people like Raed Salah or Haneen Zuabi or Azmi Bishara. They exist and seem to have quite a bit of support among Israeli Arabs. I didn’t classify them as radical, just that they have a vision of a future without Israel and I am not going to pretend that they are marginal. It is indeed inane to to pretend that everyone at a Nakba ceremony thinks identically, and yet it is equally absurd to believe that an event created by the PLO and organized by groups that reject Israel’s existence is not a political event with a distinct narrative and goal. Even if you point to Israeli Jewish organizations behind the gatherings like Zochrot you are pointing to an organization that was founded by someone who ‘wants to live as a minority in a democratic country’.

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61452 Greg Pollock Wed, 16 May 2012 06:11:26 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61452 Elizabeth, . One of George Washington's first acts as commander of the Continental Army was to attack and expell some Indians who might allign with the British, possibly for good reasons. cf Danaa on Israeis unwilling to accept the ugly truth of their founding. There are always ugly truths at State foundings. America is just gotten old, so it doesn't matter. Consider also President Jefferson's order to his Secretary of the Interior after the Louisiana Purchase: if the natives will not become farmers, as are we, they are to be pushed across the Mississippi. . The only place to start to deal with the past is to stop similar process today. That does not mean expunging Tel Aviv. Since Kolumn9 likes to tell leftists what they are really doing, let me mirror join: you create a radical enemy and define all opponents to be as that, thereby allowing the present slow motion expulsion of areas in the Bank to continue apace, which is your goal. The idea that everyone at a Nakba ceremony thinks identically is inane. The notion that Arab Israeli citizens want to expunge Tel Aviv no matter what happens to the economy is inane. What is, then, the real reason for this ever race war analysis? Elizabeth,
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One of George Washington’s first acts as commander of the Continental Army was to attack and expell some Indians who might allign with the British, possibly for good reasons. cf Danaa on Israeis unwilling to accept the ugly truth of their founding. There are always ugly truths at State foundings. America is just gotten old, so it doesn’t matter. Consider also President Jefferson’s order to his Secretary of the Interior after the Louisiana Purchase: if the natives will not become farmers, as are we, they are to be pushed across the Mississippi.
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The only place to start to deal with the past is to stop similar process today. That does not mean expunging Tel Aviv. Since Kolumn9 likes to tell leftists what they are really doing, let me mirror join: you create a radical enemy and define all opponents to be as that, thereby allowing the present slow motion expulsion of areas in the Bank to continue apace, which is your goal. The idea that everyone at a Nakba ceremony thinks identically is inane. The notion that Arab Israeli citizens want to expunge Tel Aviv no matter what happens to the economy is inane. What is, then, the real reason for this ever race war analysis?

]]> By: XYZ http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61451 XYZ Wed, 16 May 2012 06:02:54 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61451 Rowan- First of all there was a recent article showing that the bomb in the synagogue was placed by Iraqis, not the Mossad. Be it as it may, no Jew in Iraq could forget the Farhud massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1941. I have a friend who was born in Iraq and he and others have said that after that pogrom NO JEW FELT SAFE IN IRAQ. That is why the left. In the late 1940's a prominent Jew who was close to the royal court was arrested, tortured and forced to confess to imaginary crimes in order to save his family. He was hanged. All the Jews saw this. Don't forget Saddam Hussein's public hanging of Jews in Baghdad in 1970. So please don't give us this line that "everyone was wonderful for the Jews in Iraq and only a Zionist conspiracy made them flee their Edenic existence in friendly Arab Iraq". These comments we see about how supposedly good the Jews had it in the Arab countries and they were brainwashed into fleeing by Zionist propaganda is RACIST. It assumes they are stupid and didn't understand what they were experiencing and seeing. Rowan-
First of all there was a recent article showing that the bomb in the synagogue was placed by Iraqis, not the Mossad.
Be it as it may, no Jew in Iraq could forget the Farhud massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1941.
I have a friend who was born in Iraq and he and others have said that after that pogrom NO JEW FELT SAFE IN IRAQ. That is why the left. In the late 1940′s a prominent Jew who was close to the royal court was arrested, tortured and forced to confess to imaginary crimes in order to save his family. He was hanged. All the Jews saw this. Don’t forget Saddam Hussein’s public hanging of Jews in Baghdad in 1970. So please don’t give us this line that “everyone was wonderful for the Jews in Iraq and only a Zionist conspiracy made them flee their Edenic existence in friendly Arab Iraq”.
These comments we see about how supposedly good the Jews had it in the Arab countries and they were brainwashed into fleeing by Zionist propaganda is RACIST. It assumes they are stupid and didn’t understand what they were experiencing and seeing.

]]> By: XYZ http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61448 XYZ Wed, 16 May 2012 05:56:49 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61448 Rehmat- Does Hart really think that we are that stupid? We have already experienced "a great turning against the Jews" during the great period when all the "progressive" anti-Zionist liberals had their dream situation of NO Jewish state. You know what happened then. Do you think we intend to go back to that situation when we were landless and helpless and defenseless and we depended on the "good will" of the liberal/Progessives to save us, which they didn't do. So Hart thinks it may get bad for us if we DO have a state. Thanks, but no thanks, we will take our chances with our current situation and not go back to the old, suicidal situation. Rehmat-
Does Hart really think that we are that stupid? We have already experienced “a great turning against the Jews” during the great period when all the “progressive” anti-Zionist liberals had their dream situation of NO Jewish state. You know what happened then. Do you think we intend to go back to that situation when we were landless and helpless and defenseless and we depended on the “good will” of the liberal/Progessives to save us, which they didn’t do.
So Hart thinks it may get bad for us if we DO have a state. Thanks, but no thanks, we will take our chances with our current situation and not go back to the old, suicidal situation.

]]> By: Rehmat http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61432 Rehmat Wed, 16 May 2012 02:42:48 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61432 British veteran journalist and author, Alan Hart, in his latest article, entitled Never ending Nakba has warned the Jews around the world to fight the evil of Zionism before it’s too late. “If the rising global tide of anti-Israelism is not to be transformed into anti-Semitism, making another great turning against Jews everywhere inevitable at some point, the Jews of the world must play their necessary part in containing and confronting Zionism. As I never tire of pointing out, silence is not the way to refute and demolish a charge of complicity in Zionism’s crimes,” wrote Alan. http://rehmat1.com/2012/05/16/alan-hart-jews-must-fight-zionism/ British veteran journalist and author, Alan Hart, in his latest article, entitled Never ending Nakba has warned the Jews around the world to fight the evil of Zionism before it’s too late.

“If the rising global tide of anti-Israelism is not to be transformed into anti-Semitism, making another great turning against Jews everywhere inevitable at some point, the Jews of the world must play their necessary part in containing and confronting Zionism. As I never tire of pointing out, silence is not the way to refute and demolish a charge of complicity in Zionism’s crimes,” wrote Alan.

http://rehmat1.com/2012/05/16/alan-hart-jews-must-fight-zionism/

]]> By: Jack http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61390 Jack Tue, 15 May 2012 20:57:50 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61390 Kolumn9, Interesting that you base your reality not from facts but from ethnicity. No one would of course embrace the israeli gov. narrative, just like anyone dont buy the arguments based on myths and unlawful actions. Kolumn9,
Interesting that you base your reality not from facts but from ethnicity.
No one would of course embrace the israeli gov. narrative, just like anyone dont buy the arguments based on myths and unlawful actions.

]]> By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61361 Kolumn9 Tue, 15 May 2012 18:42:35 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61361 Roee, narrative shmarative. The call to 'recognize the other narrative' is the sensitive, liberal, post-modernist code for granting victimhood status to the other. Where the conflict is ongoing and the narratives clash it becomes a call for undermining the collective narrative of your own side. In this particular conflict it is used as a left-wing weapon to unilaterally disarm one side and put its own frame of reference at the mercy of the gatekeepers of the narrative of the other. . When I see an article on 972mag or for that matter any other left-wing site calling for Palestinians to accept the narrative of the Jews, I might consider changing my mind. In the meantime I will continue to denounce all Nakba narrative related prattle as the calls for the delegitimization and elimination of Israel that they obviously are, even where the author doesn't realize what they are doing and has only the best intentions at heart. Roee, narrative shmarative. The call to ‘recognize the other narrative’ is the sensitive, liberal, post-modernist code for granting victimhood status to the other. Where the conflict is ongoing and the narratives clash it becomes a call for undermining the collective narrative of your own side. In this particular conflict it is used as a left-wing weapon to unilaterally disarm one side and put its own frame of reference at the mercy of the gatekeepers of the narrative of the other.
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When I see an article on 972mag or for that matter any other left-wing site calling for Palestinians to accept the narrative of the Jews, I might consider changing my mind. In the meantime I will continue to denounce all Nakba narrative related prattle as the calls for the delegitimization and elimination of Israel that they obviously are, even where the author doesn’t realize what they are doing and has only the best intentions at heart.

]]> By: Ronen Zahavi http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61331 Ronen Zahavi Tue, 15 May 2012 15:04:44 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61331 We must remind the World of the Jewish Nakba. 800,000 Jewish were expelled A World that wants to forget must not be allowed to forget! We must remind the World of the Jewish Nakba.
800,000 Jewish were expelled
A World that wants to forget must not be allowed to forget!

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61330 Rowan Berkeley Tue, 15 May 2012 14:58:42 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61330 These are the real money quotes from Naeim Giladi's memoir, which Rehmat gave the link for. Mar 19 1950: bomb at the American Cultural Center and Library in Baghdad, a favorite meeting place for young Jews. Apr 8 1950: grenade thrown from car at Baghdad's El-Dar El-Bida Café, where Jews were celebrating Passover. May 10 1950: grenade thrown at display window of the Jewish-owned Beit-Lawi Automobile Company. Jun 3 1950: grenade thrown from car in El-Batawin area of Baghdad. Jun 5 1950: bomb exploded next to Jewish-owned Stanley Shashua building on El-Rashid street. Jan 14 1951: grenade thrown at a group of Jews outside the Masouda Shem-Tov Synagogue, struck a high-voltage cable, electrocuting three Jews. . It has never been established who was behind these, as far as I know, but remembering the Lavon Affair, aka Operation Susannah, in Cairo in 1954, it cannot be ruled out that an Israeli-directed group was responsible. These are the real money quotes from Naeim Giladi’s memoir, which Rehmat gave the link for.
Mar 19 1950: bomb at the American Cultural Center and Library in Baghdad, a favorite meeting place for young Jews.
Apr 8 1950: grenade thrown from car at Baghdad’s El-Dar El-Bida Café, where Jews were celebrating Passover.
May 10 1950: grenade thrown at display window of the Jewish-owned Beit-Lawi Automobile Company.
Jun 3 1950: grenade thrown from car in El-Batawin area of Baghdad.
Jun 5 1950: bomb exploded next to Jewish-owned Stanley Shashua building on El-Rashid street.
Jan 14 1951: grenade thrown at a group of Jews outside the Masouda Shem-Tov Synagogue, struck a high-voltage cable, electrocuting three Jews.
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It has never been established who was behind these, as far as I know, but remembering the Lavon Affair, aka Operation Susannah, in Cairo in 1954, it cannot be ruled out that an Israeli-directed group was responsible.

]]> By: aristeides http://972mag.com/israels-n-word-efforts-to-teach-it-and-attempts-to-erase-it/45773/comment-page-1/#comment-61325 aristeides Tue, 15 May 2012 14:33:32 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=45773#comment-61325 One method of silencing is deflection. One method of silencing is deflection.

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