Comments on: Israelis to protest Iran attack amid growing web campaign

By: John Yorke

John Yorke — Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:20:36 +0000

OK, OK It’s a very unfair world and that’s something unlikely to change anytime soon.

Protests against how the world is today might go some way towards changing it but, let’s face facts; the odds of that happening to any great extent are minimal at best, non-existent at worst.

A question:
What would change world opinion in its views on Israel and Palestinians?

1.Rational argument won’t do it. The world is not always a rational place.

2.Cultural distinctiveness and religious backgrounds don’t help much. These can lead to all sorts of trouble, especially when they seem to take precedence over more down-to-earth matters.

3.The legal system is too painfully slow for proper justice to prevail. And judgement delayed is so often judgement denied.

4.Intellectual rigour on both sides does not overly impress. The same old whys and wherefores have been trotted out so many times before. They have ceased to even remotely address the stark realities of the overall situation.

The only way Israelis and Palestinians can hope to reverse world opinion is to surprise it; to do the unexpected and make the general mass of humanity sit up and take notice. Otherwise Israelis and Palestinians, Jews in general and Arabs the world over will begin to have no special status reserved for them in the minds of men.

And so, if Jews and Palestinians are in the market for a surprise package, this might prove an interesting one to open.

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By: Steve

Steve — Thu, 22 Mar 2012 05:28:48 +0000

A handful of individual people may be pushing for one thing, or another thing.
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I am speaking in general about average random pro-Netanyahu people. None of them that I know “WANT” an attack on Iran. THe issue is whether one is NECESSARY to possibly save Israel from future attack.

By: Jogortha

Jogortha — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:24:33 +0000

Steve, the facts beg to differ, Meir Dagan who is no lefty, came out publicly saying very much that the attack now was a dumb idea. The Prime Minister, through his statements and diplomatic maneuvers, has been pushing the US exactly for that end. Therefore, you can’t just say “no one wants to have to attack Iran” because that is just not true. There’s someone pushing for an immediate attack on Iran, and there’s another group of people who are opposed to that course of action.

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:35:34 +0000

Nobody WANTS to have to attack Iran, whether pro-Netanyahu or not. The whole issue is if Iran is developing nukes and if they would actually use them on Israel, or give them to people who would.

By: Jogortha

Jogortha — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:04:18 +0000

Steve,

Well, I don’t know who to believe, Meir Dagan former Mossad leader who specifically characterized the idea of attacking Iran now as “the dumbest possible idea.” or Should I believe Netanyahu talking of a strike as a matter of months? Also, when %65 of Israelis say they’re against a unilateral strike, your “this has nothing to do with street protest” become very unconvincing.

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:01:37 +0000

The pro-Netanyahu crowd cares about protecting Israel. If Iran seems like a SERIOUS NUCLEAR THREAT then they might push for war. If Iran seems to back off, they probably won’t. This has nothing to do with what street protests support or don’t support.

By: Jogortha

Jogortha — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:44:21 +0000

Steve, you never disappoint. Let’s try this again, try to focus for a change: if big demonstrations turn up in Tel Aviv against war with Iran, then what influence will that have on the pro-Netanyahu crowd’s effort to push the US administration to attack Iran in an election year?

By: Shaun

Shaun — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:42:33 +0000

Wow 700 Israeli said they would attend… more Blah Blah from the ideologically vanishing left of center in Israel still trying to prove their relevance.

I’m sure the organizers will be trilled when their “protest” is attended by a cross section of Tel-Aviv yuppies, +972 lap dogs and draft dodgers. (a real true representation of Israel today)

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 04:58:09 +0000

Actually, the the pro-israel crowd cheering Netanyahu would LOVE it if Iran backed off and stopped threating Israel, and stopped funding Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and stopped possibly developing nukes, etc. Focusing on LIFE and HAPPINESS would be much better than having to focus on security against wackjobs who want to harm Israel.

By: Jogortha

Jogortha — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 02:25:31 +0000

If this materializes, it’d put a lot of the pro-israel crowd cheering Netanyahu in the US in a delicate position.. it’d be really a tough one to spin..