29 comments for ”Israeli reactions to Freedom Riders“

    
  1. Those of us who lived through the school desegregation struggle in the US recognize the faces of hate in the crowd. It’s so familiar. I wonder if, 50 years from now, those Israelis will feel the same amount of shame for their words and actions directed at people who only want their rights.

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  3. Whose the weirmarr republic now?

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  5. It’s completely contemptible that these activists staged this publicity stunt ripping off the US freedom riders of the 1960′s. Instead they should be involved with negotiating a Palestinian state. Actions like this are simply annoying and don’t accomplish anything useful.

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  7. The peace process is totally a one sided sham.
    These people are courageous and should be commended for their brave actions

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  9. Yeah. Actions like this provoke the mighty Israeli army to take “pre-emptive” measures and bombard more Palestinian refugee camps in occupied territories. Actions like these should be avoided and prevented at any cost. Coz it threatens the mere existence of the racist, apartheid state of Israel.

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  11. @Jaime, your comment is simply annoying and doesn’t accomplish anything useful. These people are standing up for their rights to travel freely around their own home. This apartheid tactic of segregated bussing should not be allowed any where in the world. If you have public transportation, anyone should be allowed to freely ride; whoever they may be.

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  13. Jaime,
    In demanding the right to travel freely within the West Bank, they are involved in negotiating a Palestinian state.

    They should be annoying, until they accomplish something useful.

    But, they have to stay focused on single questions, and not allow themselves to get distracted to self-gratifying but vague and dismissable rhetoric.

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  15. Sounds like the IDF handled it wisely by not arresting them and not interfering with them until they reached the Jerusalem check-point, that is what they wanted so they could be made out to be martyrs.

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  17. Echoes of Rosa Parks and the Civil Rights movement in the United States

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  19. Great story, Mya. Demoralizing, but great.

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  21. Unfortunately, a green ID and a being a journalist aren’t enough to give you a free pass into Israel.
    Israel’s past experiences, show fake or stolen IDs being used to enter Israel, or journalists doing act of terrors in Israel.
    For example: http://bigjournalism.com/aim/2011/08/20/another-al-jazeera-journalist-suspected-of-terror-ties/

    The hatred between the two sides is indeed horrible. Israelis do not trust Palestinians and vice versa. And Israeli settlers have the least trust.
    However, Israelis shouldn’t be held to a double standard. An Israeli walking about in Gaza will not be treated better (in fact, a lot worse, just for being Jewish).

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  23. Jimmy-
    I don’t recall that Rosa Parks or ML King advocated having suicide bombers blow up buses or restaurants. If Jerusalem is now cut off from the rest of the West Bank, it is a result of popularly elected Palestinian leader Arafat sending suicide bombers into Israel WITH THE ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT OF HIS PEOPLE.
    To compare this with the Civil Rights Movement in the US is an OBSCENITY.

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  25. @MYA
    “When the younger mentioned that a family member had been injured in a terror attack, the older girl said that a friend of hers had been, as well.”
    –>Its telling that when +972 publishes a Palestinian’s piece describing how he overcame the tragic death of his daughter, everyone congratulates and praises him for not seeking revenge. But when Israeli CHILDREN respond to violence against their families with words, they are “racists.” There’s so much good faith and humanitarianism on +972 I just don’t know what to do with it all!

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  27. Hi Larry,

    Thanks! I could have done a story twice as long but at some point it would have been redundant… all the onlookers were saying the same thing more or less: We can’t go to Ramallah; they have their own buses; there were terror attacks. Etc.

    Something I wish I’d put in this is the reactions of the people on the bus who preferred just to look out the window and pretend what was happening wasn’t happening. I tried to talk to these people, too, and they weren’t interested in being interviewed.

    I have to wonder–or maybe I have to hope–that those people were moved in some way to reflect on things… that they were having some sort of internal debate.

    Maybe I’m being overly optimistic though…

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  29. Ben Israel, you appear to post widely with the same irrelevant logical fallacies, designed to poison the debate.

    It’s a good sign really, that defenders of the regime are reduced to this kind of distortion, having nothing else in their toolbag.

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  31. Ben
    you have your own websites, this website is for free thinking and justice seeking individuals. There’s two sides to every story

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  33. @Ben Israel, the obscenity is the Occupation and the fact that the world allows it to occur.

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  35. The obscenity is that many of the perpertrators of these bloody atrocities were recently released from prison. The obscenity is that the world accepts the lies of Abbas and the Palestinian Authority regarding Jewish rights in the country. The obscenity is that the official gov’t controlled media in the Palestinian Authority routinely spews out genocidal antisemitic propaganda. The real obscenity is that the Palestinains REFUSE to make peace with Israel on ANY terms.

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  37. “The real obscenity is that the Palestinians REFUSE to make peace with Israel on ANY terms.”

    Ben has hit it on the button. Instead of sitting down and working out a living peace these troublemakers condemn their own people to torment.

    The fact is that the haters are not interested in a 2 state solution even though they say they are to keep sucking money and sympathy from the rest of the world. There are also Palestinians working very hard to build a future and together with the Israelis, but you don’t hear about them because they are outnumbered by the protest monkeys.

    The Arabs should show some pride and dignity and get out of the stupid protest business and into the country building business.

    Also the Israelis should reinstate the death penalty, penal servitude and very stiff fines by swift military tribunals for saboteurs and provocateurs whoever they are.

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  39. Jaime – why not just throw a noose over every lamppost in Israel and hang an Arab from every one? Because that’s what “whoever they are” means, isn’t it? When the YESHA Drum and Marching Society goes hiking through Palestinian villages in the West Bank hoping to provoke a reaction, that’s not going to count, is it?

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  41. Sometimes when I read the comments on the Interwebs, I want to give up on the human race. Seriously @Fadi, do you really want people to go talk to themselves and those who think like themselves? Is that how you anticipate the world will solve its problems?

    I am quite sympathetic to the Palestinians who are suffering from collective punishment because of the acts of a militant minority. However, political discussions should stay away from propagandistic arguments, since they don’t advance anything and get people sucked into, well, separate websites.

    For that reason I would avoid the word “racism” in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. There is plenty of xenophobia on both sides, and on both sides there is objective basis to that xenophobia. I can understand why Palestinians despise Zionists, since Zionism is certainly a proximate cause to what they suffer. But I can also understand when Israelis who are impacted by terrorism can’t find love in their heart for Arabs some of whom cause and support terrorism.

    Substantively basking in victim hood and throwing blame at the other side for being murderous animals advances nothing. Unfortunately, both Israelis and Palestinians are experts in basking in victim hood and throwing blame at each other. If people on the Internet’s want to join in the chorus of blame and indirectly bask in each sides sense of victim hood than all such discussions are just blasts of hot air that exacerbate the problem rather than promote peace.

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  43. To believe that the problems between Israel and Palestine are one-sided, regardless of which side that is, reveals ignorance of the true situation

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  45. If an American wants to visit Jerusalem, they need a passport. The “freedom riders” from Ramallah are not Israeli citizens. To enter Israel they need papers too. The situation bears no analogy to the real freedom riders in Alabama, who were American citizens trying to ride American busses. Mya, you cant ride a bus in Paris without showing papers to get into France

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  47. AT, thanks for your comment, I was looking for words to react to Fadi’s close mindedness. You can’t achieve meaningful debate without knowing both sides. If you want to understand an issue and get to a resolution, try arguing for the other side. You’ll soon understand so much more.

    And you can’t hate another person, solely because someone who looks like him/her/follows the same religion/sport/political party/lives in the same town/et cetera! Hate and resentment, breeds hate and resentment. Love and respect, peace and prosperity.

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  49. If Palestinians had consistently followed the example of the American Freedom Riders (many of them Jewish–including Goodman and Schwerner who died for black voting rights) there would be a Palestinian state by now.

    If only Arafat and the others had applied the lessons of Ghandi and Martin Luther King. If only the Arab League had supported this approach…

    It is unfortunate for these protesters that their leaders have chosen the path of violence for so many years. Especially the last 20…

    It is equally unfortunate that the Israeli kids were ugly about it.

    It is not too late for everyone to live up to our religions’ expectations of us in terms of compassion and social justice.

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  51. AT, Jeremy, Ch
    Well said. I agree with all three of you. Peace will only come when BOTH sides will be willing to take a good hard look at themselves, acknowledge their OWN mistakes rather than focus on the misdeeds of the other side. That in itself won’t be enough. There will be a need for lots of pragmatism too but self reflection, honest SELF reflection is definitely one of the pre-requisites.

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  53. The problem today is that too many people expect ONLY Israel to be introspective but not the Arabs. That is NOT the way to achieve peace.

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  55. Let us not forget, they are using non-violent measures. For years and years Israel has been telling the Palestinians to get their own Ghandi. They are now embracing nonviolent tactics, and that’s the response?
    The peace process has become meaningless. From what I’ve seen, Israel wants to negotiate about nothing forever.

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  57. “The peace process has become meaningless. From what I’ve seen, Israel wants to negotiate about nothing forever”
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    Funny, I would have put it exactly the other way around. Israel already spelled out twice over what kind of peace deal it is willing to make back in 2000/2001 and in 2008. Yet it was the Palestinian leadership that has been unable to say yes to those peace offers. Not only they didn’t say yes but they did not come up with realistic counter offers other than the Intifada, Durban and the current stunts with their UN initiative in which they hope to get others to do what they can’t do themselves, to force Israel’s hands into giving up lands without getting a proper undertaking to give up their 100 year war against the return of the Jewish people to their ancestral home land and the two state solution. But those stunts won’t work. Try as they might, they won’t be able to get rid of Israel. All they will achieve is prolong their own suffering and the suffering of ordinary Israelis with them. And it seems the latter bit is a form of consolation prize for them. Sad …



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