67 comments for ”Yes, Israel is a source of anti-Semitism“

    
  1. Amir: “This is so incredibly bizarre! I am beginning to come to terms with Ali Abunimah’s observation that for modern Zionists anything other than Jews living in complete privilege is considered anti-Semitism bordering on Genocide”
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    Another straw man.

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  3. Amir: “I can’t even BEGIN to understand why you think this source proves anti-Semitism in its actual meaningful European sense (and arguably modern Muslim sense) existed in Jerusalem in 1850, all it shows is that the Jewish community of Jerusalem had some relatively minor conflicts with the other communities, amusingly enough mostly the CHRISTIAN community and lived in poverty and according to Marx “Squalor”
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    Oh goodie. Since our Amir can take jibes at us “modern Zionists”, let’s see if we can work it the other way around too:
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    This is so incredibly bizarre how the anti Zionists turn around and try to minimize the effects of Arab/Muslim oppression of Jews while at the same time they delight talking about Zionist oppression of Arabs.
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    To them, somehow Jewish oppression of Arabs is always worse than Arab oppression of Jews. Go figure …

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  5. Bosko lmao @ me being an anti-Zionist. haha. you are a barrel of fun.
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    We all oppressed, all oppression is the same. So let’s oppress others.
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    waksauce.
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    Next on the list, Mark Twain maybe?

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  7. Can’t you understand the difference between Zionists as a state-force, and Arabs/Muslims? Moreover, can you please give us one singular example along history for Arab->Jew events on the proportion of the Nakba, Naksa, Caste Lead, Jenin invasion, etc, etc.
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    I’m sorry Bosko but this Hasbara nonsense is just terrible.

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  9. Okay, let’s say that the Arab/Muslim antisemitism that existed before the Zionist movement came along was not so bad. Let’s also go along with the claim we hear all the time that “Muslims hold Jews and Judaism in the HIGHEST regard, they only have a problem with Zionists”. Then please explain to me how this supposedly “unique” European antisemitism cold even take hold in the Arab/Muslim Middle East? The Arabs would say “we are not like Europeans, we LOVE Jews and Judaism and so we will treat our local Jews who are not Zionists even BETTER in order to prove to them that they are better off staying with us Arabs instead of throwing their lot in with the Zionists. After all they know that we Muslims hold Jews and Judaism IN THE HIGHEST REGARD as long as they don’t get involved in Zionism”.
    DID THAT HAPPEN? No, the Jews were either subjected to pogroms , were thrown bodily out of countries like Egypt, or made so uncomfortable they left, en masse. SO much for the myth of the “tolerant Muslim/Arabs”.

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  11. Amir: “”Bosko lmao @ me being an anti-Zionist. haha. you are a barrel of fun”
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    You can lmao all you like Amir but you were the one who used the term “modern Zionists” in your jibe against us. So I am perfectly entitled to believe that you are anti Zionist. If I am wrong, then please accept my humble apologies. I know you have the generosity of spirit to do so.

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  13. Amir: “Moreover, can you please give us one singular example along history for Arab->Jew events on the proportion of the Nakba, Naksa, Caste Lead, Jenin invasion, etc, etc.”
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    Obviously I can’t Amir. 700,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries are obviously not on the same scale as the persecution of Arabs by Jews. Sigh

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  15. If u define half a million willing immigrants over fiteen years as refugees you have a point.

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  17. And really hoa does this show that israel is not a source of jew hate is beyond me. Google the word an.achronism

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  19. Amir: “And really hoa does this show that israel is not a source of jew hate is beyond me. Google the word an.achronism”
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    Naaaaah, surely not, surely Arab people would not resort to collective punishment of innocent Jews just because of what the eeeeeeeevil Zionists did? What do you think Amir??

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  21. Then again, who knows … Here are just a few pogroms against Jews in Arab countries, way before modern Zionism:
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    “When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

    Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.25

    Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880″
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    Now before we hear the usual platititudes about how the lot of Jews was better under Muslim/Arab rule than elsewhere, I’ll say: Yes, probably but let’s not pretend life for Jews in Arab lands was anything but tenuous. It fluctuated from reasonable to disasterous.

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  23. Bosko,

    You don’t understand. All these pogroms and blood libels don’t even begin to compare to Cast Lead, etc…

    It is the basic human right of Gazan freedomfighters to kidnap and shell without any fear of a military response.

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  25. Using Yossi’s logic, then random attacks on innocent Muslims on European streets can be explained and understood due to Muslims blowing themselves up on 9/11 and 7/7, etc. Muslim suicide bombing is the cause of Islamaphobia.

    See how I just did that?

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  27. BHCH: I can voice my own opinions just fine whythankyouvery much. No need for crappy strawmen.
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    Boss: These are far better examples which I will need to contemplate and research as you didn’t care to provide a citation. I agree that on face value these are clear cases of “European style” Anti Semitism (of the Nazi variety) in the muslim world.
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    Still I would argue that Yossi’s original essay reffered to “A source” not to “THE source”, that is Yossi argues Israel compounds and increases Anti semitism, he never argued that it actually generated the phenomena.
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    Anyway, consider this a concession, I will review the info you provided thoroughly. Thanks.

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  29. CARRIE: Mr. Gurwitz who I hold in very high regard never excused or justified anti-semitism, regardless of its perceived source. Please don’t portray it thus for it is slanderous and deceitful.

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  31. Of course Israel is a source of Antisemitism. Especially to people who are already antisemitic but yes, it creates some new ones too. The question is, what should be done to remedy the situation? Should Israel slash it’s own wrists? Would that stop antisemitism?

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  33. Here is why Howard Gutman should be fired. He made a slur against Muslims. When 19 hijackers, in the name of Islam, perpetuated the 9/11 atrocities, there were very few violent attacks on Muslims in the US. However, when Moroccan immigrants in Belgium or France watch reruns on Al Jazeerah or Hezbollah TV, they feel justified in attacking local Jews. We should hold the same expectation on Muslims in Europe that we hold for ourselves. Herr Gutman has in a single sentence, condemned Muslims with the racism of low expectations, and has legitimized anti-Jewish violence when committed by Muslims



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