60 comments for ”Israel approves plan to uproot 30,000 Bedouins“

    
  1. @Deïr Yassin
    your last response is out of relevance of what I have said…and your answers are so “intelegent” because you are so smart and brainy!

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  3. @BenIsrael–language matters. When you say “The Bedouin Problem”, imagine if it were “The Jewish Problem”. We all know what language was used for that solution… I’m sure you didn’t mean anything that violent, but if you always imagine how something would sound to you, it helps to see the affect our language has. That said, I will say this: It is true that nomadic lifestyles are being challenged outside of Israel as well, including in Africa. I feel the same way I do about the issue here when the issue comes up elsewhere: I find it heartbreaking, and environmentally devastating as well. On one hand, I would say that the reasons Israel wants to settle her nomadic population is not ENTIRELY about wanting Jews to over-populate Arabs per square dunam of land, though I’m pretty sure that’s the primary motivation, here. But we, as Jews in Israel, have a responsibility to be MORE sensitive, not LESS, to indigenous populations and lifestyles, as well as to immigrant lifestyles (we’ve made similar mistakes with Ethiopian Jews immigrating — forcing them into an Ashkenazi Box that drains the spirit right out of their families and communities, rather than learning from them and respecting them — people who were living strictly by the Torah for so many centuries, without Rabbi interference). We need to be more sensitive here than any other place on earth, not less. And @DEIR, if you’re still reading: I’ve decided to respond to something you’re addressing, even though you’ve done so so disrespectfully. I hear that you feel that any jew who immigrates to Israel is the enemy. Although I’m guessing that you and I agree about most issues concerning Palestinian rights and injustices against Palestinians, I don’t believe that jews do not belong here (though of course I don’t believe it is OUR land over yours, and I am not here with any kind of jewish agenda). I believe that to right the wrongs, jews do not have to leave; we all have to live here together with open hearts. I also believe we’re the same people, and that things have gone tragically awry, and that you and I, DEIR, are in a position to do something about that, because we are talking to each other. And I believe that we have to start from here, now, in the present. We can’t go back and correct each wrong. We can listen to each other about the past, and carry each other’s stories, and grieve and express remorse, and then we need to move forward. It is now September, 2011, an auspicious month and time. What are we going to do? Are you just going to hate me, and make me the enemy for being a jew living in the Negev? Are you going to decide that I have taken a Palestinian’s place by being here, when in fact there is room for all of us? Or are we going to join forces to do something powerful, for our yet unborn children?

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  5. Ben Israel, do you think because something is perceived as a problem in an Arab country that that legitimates Israeli action of a similar approach and attitude. One should notice that the Bedouin issue in the Negev is not the subject of very much criticism internationally or in the intra- and inter-Arab sphere. Why? Because what “comes around” will go around in this issue. Such criticism will lead to similar criticism of similar policies in their countries.
    Are the Bedouin Palestinians? The more Israel pursues these sorts of policies against them the more likely are they to become more and more Palestinian-identified. Why do all this to them? There are always reasons, but weren’t there always legitimate reasons to persecute the Jews as well?
    This is a group which was always ambivalent about the struggle against Israel and many of them did serve in the Army. This is likely to be less and less of them in the future which is not in the interest of the State, which depends on their tracking abilities to maintain the security of its frontiers. There is nothing to be lost, except prime real estate, by recognizing their unrecognized villages and towns and everything for the State and its people, Jewish and Arab, to gain.

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  7. look at yossi gurvits’ post about prawer here. it was posted yesterday in j14 site in it’s hebrew verse, so apparently it’s still an issue.

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  15. Has anybody ever seen this “settlement”? If you drove by it would appear to be a auto junk yard. A conglomeration of flimsy jury rigged shacks that are not fit for habitation by farm animals much less humans. The Israeli government on many occasions has offered these people the same type of living arrangements as other citizens of Israel.They have constantly refused that housing claiming their way of life would be compromised.

    For them their way of life as lived in the 18th and 19tcenturyry is in fact over.The national boundaries of modern states will not allow these people to wander back and forth across those lines. Jordan, Israel and other countries in the region are putting a brake on those activities.

    The real question is are these people willing to come into the 21st century,get educated Incorporated into modern society, give up smuggling,grazing across national boundaries and partaking of modernity. If not they will be relegated to a very dim future.

    While its a romantic notion of the Bedu riding like the wind and living a “free life” out on the desert its now a total fairy tale, believed in by many people in the west who saw films on the nobility of the nomadic way of life.

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