Comments on: Interior minister exploits rape by Eritrean for anti-immigrant campaign http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Wed, 01 Oct 2014 05:14:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8 By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101415 Sat, 05 Jan 2013 05:07:48 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101415 Your whole line of reasoning is absurd. This rape would not have occurred if the illegal migrants were not in South Tel Aviv. We seem to agree on this. Given that according to Israeli law they shouldn’t be in South Tel Aviv isn’t it only logical that the rapes that do occur do so as a result of the lack of enforcement of Israeli law and that each such crime is in itself superfluous and a preventable tragedy?

These illegal migrants are present in Israel illegally according to Israeli immigration law. This is not in dispute so I don’t know why you bother to argue otherwise. What is in dispute is whether Israel has the right to throw them back to their home countries. This distinction seems to confuse you.

The illegal migrants most certainly have no right to reside in Tel Aviv or in any Israeli city. You seem to suggest that Israel can not expel them, a point with which the Israeli government seems to agree with for the moment, but it doesn’t mean that Israel is under any obligation to allow them to live in close proximity to the weakest sectors of Israeli society.

Here I am perfectly willing to say openly that I think Israel should abrogate the relevant refugee treaty if that is what is required to prevent an influx of millions of destitute refugees in the future. I believe that such population movements are only going to become more prominent as the population of poor countries explodes. Additionally, I have already pointed out elsewhere in the thread that until such a time that they can be thrown out they should be placed in detention camps in the desert and provided with food and medical care until they are able to go back to their own country. Can we agree that this would be an entirely legitimate step even if we disagree on whether the migrants should be deported in the near future? If not, then pray tell, on what basis would you argue to the contrary? Are you going to call me a racist again to avoid coming up with actual arguments?

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By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101408 Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:53:44 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101408 The crime does not attach to the class. There is no reason to speak of a specific crime to remove what you say is an illegal class. While the flagged crime would not exist if the class were absent, many other acts, some of kindness, would also not exist. The decision to attach the crime to the class is racist and spurious.

You contend that this class is illegal, but reporting on this Site shows otherwise. The State cannot force these residents out, or it would, but it does urge them to sign voluntary removal. In fact, the construction of the detension camps his prima face evidence that the class cannot be legally expelled. You want them illegal, so assert it as a matter of law. What you want, as I have said, is to abroagte the relevant refugee treaty. Fine. Say so honestly. But it is dishonest to say the class is illegal when the State itself does not think it can expell them.

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By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101397 Sat, 05 Jan 2013 02:58:45 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101397 Again, you are trying to confuse the issue by bringing up rape as a problem in general. While I certainly agree, that doesn’t take away the fact that this particular rape would not have taken place if the immigration law had been enforced. In my view every crime carried out by a person that should not be in the country is superfluous and should not have occurred.

That Yishai uses crude language to push through his policies might be upsetting to you, but personally I see a massive improvement in the situation with the wall having gone up and the number of migrants in the country down by 100x in the past year. Unfortunately Yishai’s crude racism was a large factor in that and his opponents were proposing absolutely nothing constructive. Instead they were preaching that the wall wouldn’t stop the migrants from coming and it is racist to even try.

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By: Vicky http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101381 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 23:28:38 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101381 Arguing that asylum seekers should be deported because they entered illegally is an entirely separate issue from suggesting that they should be deported because they might rape. That argument might be callous, but at least it has some sense behind it: you penalise people for what they actually did, not for what they might do.

You may be honest enough to admit that this isn’t about women’s rights, but the politicians who are so busily trying to paint Eritreans as rapacious predators are not. They are hijacking talk of women’s rights to sugarcoat their own racism, wilfully oblivious to the fact that an Eritrean asylum seeker is no more or less likely to commit rape than an Israeli supermarket cashier or a Swedish tourist named Bob. As someone who has been sexually assaulted, I’m angry to see men like Yishai (that well known feminist advocate) using women’s rights as code for “Foreign undesirables have infiltrated our land and now they are trespassing on our females” – especially given the violence endured by so many of those refugees, women in particular. Viewed from a genuine feminist perspective, their experiences can’t be so neatly separated from those of rape victims in Tel Aviv, because they are part of the same pattern of misogynistic violence. But the fauxminists in the Knesset won’t be discussing this in a hurry.

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By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101355 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 20:31:33 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101355 It isn’t small potato stuff. It is also not what Laissez Passer cares about as you can tell from the article. They don’t focus on the rape, but on the political reaction to it because they couldn’t care less about rapes as all they do care about is keeping tens of thousands of illegal migrants in cities in close proximity to the weakest sectors of Israeli society. How can I then be attacked for responding in kind?

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By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101354 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 20:27:21 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101354 If the class has nothing to do with race but is based on breaking the immigration law then how can it be racist?

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By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101353 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 20:25:39 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101353 Your comment makes no sense. You are comparing an established religious minority of citizens with full equality in front of the law of their country to a to a group of non-citizen illegal migrants who have no legal right whatsoever to reside in Tel Aviv.

Yes, the former president is now in jail and there was massive public indignation about the rapes he committed. Your point being?

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By: The Trespasser http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101339 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 18:03:49 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101339 I’m sorry but there are no Israelis in Palestine due to lack of the latter.

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By: The Trespasser http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101338 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 18:01:01 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101338 >And you, Trespasser wouldn’t deny that there are men raped by men, would you?

Irrelevant. Men’s relevance to rape cases is not questioned.

>Israel can build all the fences it wants, they will not stop the petty racism in the hearts of some who are now the leaders and models on whom the public, or some of it, bases its conduct.

Irrelevant as well.

Your red herrings are rotten a bit. Change your supplier if you can’t fish any by yourself.

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By: Mahmoud http://972mag.com/interior-minister-exploits-rape-in-anti-immigrant-campaign/63269/comment-page-1/#comment-101325 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:30:54 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=63269#comment-101325 Nice try. If I name it class, then it isn’t racist anymore. Like 1+1=3.
btw:
The Israelis do not belong in Palestine where they are present illegally and their home is in Israel.

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