Comments on: In Corrie ruling, court calls nonviolent activism ‘practically violent’

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:27:17 +0000

Or perhaps Corrie was there to struggle on the side of the Palestinian ‘resistance’ given that her letters consider it to be fully legitimate. Did she care whether the house was that of a terrorist or a pharmacist? Doubtful. That isn’t what she was there to do. She was there to disrupt Israeli operations of every kind.
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You are asking for a case of historical revisionism. No, the bulldozer could not have stopped and the soldiers couldn’t have pulled her out because the bulldozer driver did not see her. This is the part that there is a refusal on the part of many to comprehend – that people that put themselves in the middle of danger happen to die and often do so unintentionally. We could also imagine a scenario where the stupid girl didn’t step in front of a bulldozer or moved away from a very heavy machine moving at 1mph or never went to Gaza or never volunteered for the ISM or never heard of Gaza. These are all potential acts of historical revisionism that serve absolutely no purpose, except the attempt in yours is to find fault in one specific place.

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:20:53 +0000

Au contraire. The hipocrisy of everything is blatantly obvious to me, but as it is present on all side I find it hypocritical to take only one side to task. I get most of my information from leftist sites. I just generally disagree with their axioms, something that is clearly hard for you to grasp. Likely in your world anyone who disagrees with you is either stupid, illogical or bought. That is a really sad state of affairs where you are so attached to your own positions that you are incapable of assigning value to anyone else’s.

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:15:57 +0000

Thanks, I think. Notice the short, declarative phrase…

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:12:46 +0000

Greg, the ISM does not dispute the class of enemy in assigning it to Israelis as a group. So either the organization is not nonviolent and so you really shouldn’t be defending it using such lofty rhetoric or you are being very selective in your definitions and their applications. Also, don’t assign your own narrative to a dead person. It is unbecoming.

By: Bronxman

Bronxman — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:15:00 +0000

Piotr Berman: Saying that the day that my friends’s daughter was arrested the “IDF was even more extraordinarily humane then usual” implies that non violent protesters are normally killed on a daily basis in Israel. You might have quite a problem selling that thinking to the wider public.

By: Piotr Berman

Piotr Berman — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 02:08:54 +0000

I wanted to footnote the origin of “the most humane”. Contemporarily with the beginnings of Zionism, Gilbert and Sullivan composed extraordinarily popular comic opera Mikado (translated to Yidish among many other languages), and perhaps the most popular aria started with these words:

A more humane Mikado never
Did in Japan exist,
To nobody second,
I’m certainly reckoned
A true philanthropist.
It is my very humane endeavour
To make, to some extent,
Each evil liver
A running river
Of harmless merriment.

My object all sublime
I shall achieve in time —
To let the punishment fit the crime —
The punishment fit the crime;
And make each prisoner pent
Unwillingly represent
A source of innocent merriment!
Of innocent merriment!

By: Piotr Berman

Piotr Berman — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 01:43:01 +0000

Bronxman, IDF is the most humane (*) army in the world, and what happened to the daughter of your friend is that on that day IDF was even more extraordinarily humane then usual. Importantly, IDF keeps improving, for example I read in more places that I can count that during Gaza war IDF engaged in unprecedented efforts to prevent casualties among innocent civilians. I can only surmise that many of those efforts were absent in the Lebanon war 2 years earlier.

By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Sat, 01 Sep 2012 03:41:42 +0000

Perhaps Corrie saw a different ISM, at least locally, in her experience. Perhaps her standing there, watching the bulldozer approach, was saying, among other things, you have mislabeled what is here, in her sight. And so I use Corrie as so many others have, and will.

I see no reason why the bulldozer could not have stopped, soldiers taking her out of the way. Perhaps K9 and I can agree that this alternative was a possibility.

By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Sat, 01 Sep 2012 03:25:30 +0000

Nothing is gained by deconstructing the thought of K9. Listen to his voice; he speaks for many. If I pretend–pretend–to make him nothing, I have limited my own understanding. It is surprising how occasionally there is a place to stand in the same words, for a moment, no more, but there nonetheless. Perhaps that makes us all uneasy.

By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Sat, 01 Sep 2012 03:17:42 +0000

Aaron the FT, I do not think this a matter of Israel being inferior in the misuse of words. Fighting against their corruption leaves them potent for the future; law can then leap with them into new possibilites. Those who expand “terrorist” and “infiltrator” want, deep in their response, to prevent such leaps; for leaps are risky–this I know.