11 comments for ”Netanyahu’s next move: War?“

    
  1. Israel will NOT initiate any wars while this gov’t is in power. Since Oslo, all the major outbreaks of violence occurred when “Peace” governments were in power…the big wave of terrorist attacks after Oslo, the bloody suicide bomber war which came after Barak offered a state to Arafat at Camp David and carried out the unilateral withdrawal from southern Lebanon. Then Sharon carried out the destruction of Gush Katif which was followed by both the Lebanon II and Gaza Wars. The Right knows the whole world will allow the Left to fight wars because the unstated assumption is that they will be followed by more concessions and withdrawals, but the Right will get no such discounts. Thus, as long as Netanyahu is in power, he will not initiate any wars. It is the peace camps that brings all the wars and bloodshed on Israel….in the name of “peace”.

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  3. It should also be pointed out that the party that the “economic oligarchs” supported was KADIMAH, not the Likud. For example, Moses of Yediot Aharonot, one of the economic powerhouses of the country is the biggest booster of KADIMAH. You must remember that it was the political Left, under MAPAI-Labor that controlled the economy for many years and the “privitzation” made where state assets were given to cronies at below their true value was made to friends of theirs, not to “right-wing” Likud people. Thus, the economic power is mostly in the hands of people who identify with the Left…which today is primarily KADIMAH. So if there is a war, they will support it when their party is in power, not the likud.

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  5. @Yossi:
    I have to agree with Ben Israel on this one. As much as I detest Netanyahu, one thing he has going for him is that, contrary to his “leftist” colleagues (Peres, Olmert and Barak), he’s never taken the country to war. And for an Israeli prime minister, that is quite an achievement. Surely, Barak would love nothing more than to have a great little war for people to remember him by, but I don’t think that’s what he’s in Washington for. Obama, for one thing, would NEVER give an okay for a war. Also, all fronts have been relatively quiet, so there’s no pretext for one either. Poor Bibi will have to face the music of the protesters and, hopefully, will be tossed away with Barak in the next elections – hopefully in the trash bin of history and will never be heard from again.

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  7. Ben Israel, you mean: Kadimah is the left of the Right, I presume?

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  9. Going to war means taking a decision. So does freeing Gilad Shalit.
    Bibi’s a serial procrastinator. The way out for Bibi is via the door of the PM’s office.

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  11. SH-If you recall, Olmert and the KADIMAH gov’t also refused to make a deal for Shalit on HAMAS’ terms, so I guess you could call him a serial procastinator.

    Weinstein-
    On territorial issues and the so-called “peace negotiations” with the Palestinians, KADIMAH accepts the mainline “Leftist” views. Olmert offered to give up the Western Wall and Old City of Jerusalem. As I understand, he is willing to consider, at least to some degree, to accept a Palestinian “right of return” of refugees. When you consider that as late as 1999, evem Labor and MERETZ opposed any division of Jerusalem then it is fair to say KADIMAH as being on the Left. Add to that the fact that they proclaim themselves the leader of the Left bloc and they are thus allied with the anti-Zionist Arab parties.

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  13. Being French, Ben Israel, I think the word “Left” has something to do with social justice. It seems that in Israel this word has a different meaning.

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  15. No this isn’t likely. It’s more likely a false flag 9/11 type Mossad operation against other illegal Jewish occupiers of Palestine.

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  17. Henry-
    There was an extensive discussion about this some time ago here. You are correct, they way the word “Left” is used here is not really connected with the way it is used in other parts of the world.
    The ruling parties of Israel up until 1977 were the MAPAI and MAPAM parties (in alliance with others) who defined themselves as “socialist-Left” parties. Within them there were people who favored making maximum concessions to the Arabs and their were those who strongly supported Jewish settlement in Judea/Samaria (i.e. the West Bank-Shimon Peres was one of the most active of this group). They all claimed to support the “welfare state” and state ownership of much of the industry of the country. The “Right”, led by the Likud supported a “free enterprise welfare state” but, again, regarding the future of Judea/Samaria and relations with the Arabs, there were those who supported major concessions to the Arabs although most supported a “hard-line” and the settlement movement.
    By the 1980′s the socialist ethos of the Left
    had largely evaporated and they began “privatizing” state enterprises which were by and large inefficiently run and losing money by giving these enterprises for less than what they were really worth to cronies of theirs (the so-called “oligarchs” of today). The Likud also supported this.
    The Labor Party by the late 1980′s had largely purged those who supported the settlements and then took a strong stance in support of large-scale territorial concessions and finally supporting the creation of a Palestinian state, something they had opposed for a very long time. Thus, the idea of supporting a Palestinian state was identified as being “Leftist” regardless of how one viewed social and economic issues and opposition to the as “Rightist”. This can cause confustion. For example, the Haredi parties generally support a generous welfare state policy and other generally “Leftist” economic positions, yet no one calls them “Left”. The same can be said for some of those in the Likud. So it can become complicated. I hope this explained it.

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  19. This post is nothing but a (really cheap) cheap shot.
    “I’m hearing from several quarters” – do you really consider that enough of a basis on which to write a post claiming the PM is gonna start a war on false premises?? Are you really a journalist?
    If the protests end and Netanyahu/Barak *haven’t* started this war you are imagining, will you have the balls to say you were wrong, and that your accusations were baseless?

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  21. Well the current situation would, at the very least, lead you to strongly consider the veracity of the post.



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