Comments on: Thousands march in Tel Aviv; J14 protesters block J’lem light rail

By: sh

sh — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:20:38 +0000

Oh, look, Tweedledum and Tweedledee! Cute.

By: XYZ

XYZ — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 02:53:58 +0000

K9-
You are quite right, there really is no comparison. What I was attempting to point it is that even in the case where there was a really large-scale protest movement that came close to shutting the country down, it did not mean that the population was supporting the Left. The Right has been in power 30 of the 44 years since then, taking into account their recent election victory.
The Left always has this dream of the “masses” rising up because they assume the “masses” think they way they do, which is nonsense. In Europe, there was the dream of the “general strike” which, for example, finally happened in Britain in IIRC 1926. In spite of that, the Left only finally came to power in 1945, and they were voted out in 1951. However, certain reforms the Left supported were ultimately accepted by the Conservatives.
Why the Left assumes everything thinks like them when it is clear they don’t, is a question we need psychologists to answer, not political scientists.

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:16:37 +0000

Sh, it is hard in Israel to confuse peace with quiet, since the peacemakers are so often accompanied by things blowing up. Strangely the quiet tends to correlate with right-wing governments. You are right, it really is simple. Every Israeli government that tries to make peace gets terrorism in return. The whole formula of Israel not being able to survive without peace is insane considering that long-term peace is simply not possible in the Middle East. Countries at ‘peace’ and with minimal territorial disputes are at each other’s necks time after time. The only way to survive in this region is to be strong. This utopia that you have in your mind of a peaceful Middle East is only overshadowed in its absurdity by the sole responsibility placed for its realization on the state of Israel.
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XYZ, Though my memory doesn’t go that far it seems that you are flattering the left too much even with the comparison to the failed Paris protests of 1968.

By: sh

sh — Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:36:16 +0000

PS there were no anarchists.

By: sh

sh — Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:34:05 +0000

How could I forget Giscard? So we’ll wait 17 years, XYZ. But it’s simple, XYZ. Without peace, Israel will not survive. And the peacemakers’ 14 years will come, wherever on the political spectrum they happen to be.
Peace. Not to be confused with quiet.

By: XYZ

XYZ — Sun, 01 Jul 2012 15:13:20 +0000

WRONG, SH.
De Gaulle resigned in 1970. He was succeeded by George Pompidou, also of the Right. He died in 1974 and was replace by Valery Giscard d’Estaing, also of the Right. Finally, Mitterand got the nod in 1981. That is THIRTEEN years later.
Mitterand was then followed by two more Presidents of the Right, from 1995 to 2012. That is 17 years.
The “masses” do no inherently support the Left. Have all the demonstrations you want. These demonstrators in their clown suits represent a negligible minority that is hitchhikking on genuine grievances of the public. However the fact that someone may not particularly like the banks anymore than the anarchists do does not mean they support these anarchists.

By: sh

sh — Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:42:01 +0000

“Reminds me of the gigantic demonstrations and strikes in Paris in 1968″ although there’s no real resemblance at present and no sign that the country is closing down. The masses here want leadership and what they’re getting is procrastination and graft. The masses there wanted a left wing government and got a more centrist one in the shape of Pompidou when De Gaulle was forced to resign a year after that “GIGANTIC VICTORY”. And 6 years after it came Mitterand’s left-wing government. Be warned.

By: XYZ

XYZ — Sun, 01 Jul 2012 09:49:33 +0000

Reminds me of the gigantic demonstrations and strikes in Paris in 1968. Almost closed the country down and De Gaulle had to run to the French Army commanders in West Germany to get their promise to step in should the government be on the verge of being overthrown. Just the dream situation I keep hearing from the Left/Progressives…a “mass uprising of the people” which they believe will bring the Progressives to power, finally, out of a belief that that is what the “masses” truly want.
Well, De Gaulle dissolved parliament and called new elections. What happened. The RIGHT WON A GIGANTIC VICTORY. Be warned!