Comments on: IMAGE: Unarmed protester shot to death by IDF http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Thu, 23 May 2013 05:26:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: yaniv http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34815 yaniv Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:19:39 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34815 a man with a stone is not un-armed. and being in this situation meny years ago, when one of my men got his jaw broken with a stone, it's very diffecult to draw a line. un-armed is just this: UN-ARMED. nothing more. a man with a stone is not un-armed.
and being in this situation meny years ago, when one of my men got his jaw broken with a stone, it’s very diffecult to draw a line.

un-armed is just this: UN-ARMED. nothing more.

]]> By: מצבא לכנופיה: המקרה של מוצטפא תמימי | החברים של ג'ורג' http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34773 מצבא לכנופיה: המקרה של מוצטפא תמימי | החברים של ג'ורג' Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:14:58 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34773 [...] בעולם, ומכמה סיבות. הראשונה שבהן היא שלשם שינוי, יש לנו תמונה טובה שמתעדת את מה שקרה. השניה, וחשובה לא פחות, היא התנהלות [...] [...] בעולם, ומכמה סיבות. הראשונה שבהן היא שלשם שינוי, יש לנו תמונה טובה שמתעדת את מה שקרה. השניה, וחשובה לא פחות, היא התנהלות [...]

]]> By: AYLA http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34754 AYLA Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:46:48 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34754 @GP, yes. so moving. @GP, yes. so moving.

]]> By: Dahlia Scheindlin http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34694 Dahlia Scheindlin Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:07:00 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34694 Greg, I have to ask - what happened to you in the last decade? You can always take it off-line. Greg, I have to ask – what happened to you in the last decade? You can always take it off-line.

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34657 Greg Pollock Mon, 12 Dec 2011 03:59:55 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34657 Dahlia, Given the way the last decade has gone for me, your comment is much appreciated, and unexpected. Really. Dahlia,
Given the way the last decade has gone for me, your comment is much appreciated, and unexpected. Really.

]]> By: ROSE http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34601 ROSE Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:29:23 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34601 I agree with Dalia I agree with Dalia

]]> By: Dahlia Scheindlin http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34598 Dahlia Scheindlin Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:24:39 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34598 @Greg Pollock, I often find your comments edifying, informative, thought-provoking - but this time, it is also moving. Thanks. @Greg Pollock, I often find your comments edifying, informative, thought-provoking – but this time, it is also moving. Thanks.

]]> By: aristeides http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34558 aristeides Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:33:18 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34558 The immediate problem is that the IDF is protecting the land theft and the thieves from the rightful owners. . Just imagine if the IDF were to to go the stolen property and clear out the thieves, then patrol the illegal settlement to make sure they don't encroach on it again. Then all the little troopers would be safe from evil Palestinian stone-throwers. Of course, they'd probably be attacked by Jewish settler stone-throwers, but the law says they get to "defend themselves" with lethal force, so there'd be no real problem. The immediate problem is that the IDF is protecting the land theft and the thieves from the rightful owners.

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Just imagine if the IDF were to to go the stolen property and clear out the thieves, then patrol the illegal settlement to make sure they don’t encroach on it again. Then all the little troopers would be safe from evil Palestinian stone-throwers. Of course, they’d probably be attacked by Jewish settler stone-throwers, but the law says they get to “defend themselves” with lethal force, so there’d be no real problem.

]]> By: harvey stein http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34533 harvey stein Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:48:54 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34533 This is terrible, terrible. But we should not forget that even deaths like this are symptoms, not the problem. The bigger problem is of course the OCCUPATION. The IDF (witness the heartless comments by their spokespeople) will never see (or try to solve) the bigger problem, they will only try to wriggle out of any blame that may be placed on them for tragedies like this. And honestly, mainstream and right wing people around the world will also try to wriggle out of "blame" too - they'll immediately point to the slingshot or the rock. We activists should work tireless to end the Occupation - otherwise things like this will just keep happening. We could even say the soldier who shot the cannister is also a VICTIM OF THE OCCUPATION. How can we harness progressive powers around the world (which will eventually have to include somehow the participation of Obama, European governments, the Arab League, Fatah, Hamas, the Palestinian people, the Israeli people and a new Israeli government, etc etc) to end the occupation? This is terrible, terrible. But we should not forget that even deaths like this are symptoms, not the problem. The bigger problem is of course the OCCUPATION. The IDF (witness the heartless comments by their spokespeople) will never see (or try to solve) the bigger problem, they will only try to wriggle out of any blame that may be placed on them for tragedies like this. And honestly, mainstream and right wing people around the world will also try to wriggle out of “blame” too – they’ll immediately point to the slingshot or the rock.

We activists should work tireless to end the Occupation – otherwise things like this will just keep happening. We could even say the soldier who shot the cannister is also a VICTIM OF THE OCCUPATION. How can we harness progressive powers around the world (which will eventually have to include somehow the participation of Obama, European governments, the Arab League, Fatah, Hamas, the Palestinian people, the Israeli people and a new Israeli government, etc etc) to end the occupation?

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/image-unarmed-protester-shot-to-death-by-idf/29411/comment-page-1/#comment-34523 Greg Pollock Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:15:22 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=29411#comment-34523 He is throwing a stone. There is a political economy of resitence under occupation. People will form alliances, friendships; they will help each other under the daily stresses of living under foreign guns; some, especially young males who perforce have their lives stunted, will throw things--maybe even sometimes more. This should not be surprising. It is not a matter of a "right to resistence"; it's simply one of the few ways to have a proactive existence. It may not be effective, but, for some, it is all that they seem to have. . "Occupation" is a social phenomenon transcending its players, soldier or resiter. It must be condemned as destructive to all sides. The soldiers in that jeep have also been harmed by it; not to death, but harmed. . I happend upon this poem today, by the Isaeli poet Meir Wieseltier (born Moscow, USSR, 1941; arrived in Israel, 1949): . NOT A POEM . Not a poem a stone I fling in the face of a young breathing soldier not yet nineteen. . But instead of shouting You jerk, we'll screw your sister, I'll whisper to the porous stone, to the stone in its flight, Think, kid, think. . Poets on the Edge, ed. and trns. by Tsipi Keller (2008) . Stones are thrown. That could trap us; or we could shift their meaning, albeit still being thrown. He is throwing a stone. There is a political economy of resitence under occupation. People will form alliances, friendships; they will help each other under the daily stresses of living under foreign guns; some, especially young males who perforce have their lives stunted, will throw things–maybe even sometimes more. This should not be surprising. It is not a matter of a “right to resistence”; it’s simply one of the few ways to have a proactive existence. It may not be effective, but, for some, it is all that they seem to have.
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“Occupation” is a social phenomenon transcending its players, soldier or resiter. It must be condemned as destructive to all sides. The soldiers in that jeep have also been harmed by it; not to death, but harmed.
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I happend upon this poem today, by the Isaeli poet Meir Wieseltier (born Moscow, USSR, 1941; arrived in Israel, 1949):
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NOT A POEM
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Not a poem
a stone
I fling in the face
of a young breathing soldier
not yet nineteen.
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But instead of shouting
You jerk, we’ll screw your sister,
I’ll whisper
to the porous stone,
to the stone in its flight,
Think, kid, think.
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Poets on the Edge, ed. and trns. by Tsipi Keller (2008)
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Stones are thrown. That could trap us; or we could shift their meaning, albeit still being thrown.

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