Comments on: How we created ‘the world’s only prison where prisoners must provide for themselves’

By: aristeides

aristeides — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:19:53 +0000

Count up the people who were killed and maimed, Aaron. It’s just one more example of the way Oslo worked against the Palestinians, who were the overwhelming majority of the victims.

Why is it that dead Palestinians are invisible to Zionists, who can only see dead Jews?

By: Aaron the Fascist Troll

Aaron the Fascist Troll — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:48:04 +0000

Greg, I wasn’t talking about 2000-2006. I was talking more about c. 1993-1996, when the bloodshed and terror were *direct* consequences of the Oslo process. You could blame the later violence on other, more proximate causes.

By: Catherine

Catherine — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:24:12 +0000

The only reason the rerrorist and slaughter Sharon empted Gaza of Israelis was so he could create this prison and freely kill and test the new illigal weapons that Israel has created. A very cunning plan. But the world saw throug it.

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:28:09 +0000

This is an empty line of argument. The foreign funding will dry up. The PA may collapse. And still there would be no path from there to what you argue as inevitable. The IDF is never going to collect garbage on the streets of Nablus from the homes of Israeli citizens.

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:13:13 +0000

A timeline of Palestinian suicide bombings demonstrates your position as nonsense.

By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:13:10 +0000

The US, EU, IMF, UN and undoubtedly other letter combination I know not have subsidized the PA. The Israelis will, perhaps sooner than later, find these sources drying out. I do not think it planned, but the PA has become something of a well working bantu agency. Full legal apartheid is inevitable. Perhaps not with the settlements, but the State has been complicit in their expansion for decades. The State wants full apartheid; but they will have to pay the bill. As to Palestinian lived lives–well, they rarely seem to matter.

By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:06:33 +0000

Aaron the FT is right that the horrors of 2000-6 should not be forgotten. It is not, however, foregone that these would have ocurred if Oslo had been implemented expeditiously; I think Rabin was right that some violence would have had to be absorbed–and know what that means.

Bibi I froze Oslo which, I think enhanced group formation among later suicide bombers, both through loss of expectations and contraction of revenue (when Bibi I stopped tax transfers). This is not an apology for them but, rather, a social consequence, must as a medical consequnce.

By: Elie

Elie — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:51:52 +0000

Laurie, I totally agree with you, it’s good to see some people more objective

XYZ, your bullshits don’t help us !

By: XYZ

XYZ — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:48:55 +0000

Israel, for better or for worse, and whether you like it or not, is considered by almost everyone in the world as “the Jewish State”. Almost half of all world Jewry lives there so it is a pretty fair representative of the body of world Jewry, especially considerting the rest are dispersed widely around the globe so there is no other “representative” group of Jews.
The Jews are a people AND a religion, so even if a Jew is not religiously observant, he or she is still a full-fledged Jew.
Saying that a decendent of a Holocaust survivor has nothing to do with the Holocaust is a rather perverse idea….we are all products of what past generations have experienced. This is what Obama doesn’t understand…he was led to believe that Israeli Jews, particularly those with Leftist political views are like liberal American Jews and nothing can be further from the truth. American Jewry is largely assimilated and has much weaker links between the generations than Israelis do, plus the large majority of Israelis have served in the military and have confronted Arab hostility there or in civilian life. Thus, the Arab/Israeli conflict is not viewed as some theoretical game in which unrealistic “progressive” theories and ideas are to be tested, but rather as a conflict that is a matter of survival.

By: XYZ

XYZ — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:09:27 +0000

Once again, we see the Palestinians portrayed as pathetic, passive weaklings. It is important to remember, Arafat agreed to Oslo and its terms. You know Arafat, the one all the “progressives” were telling is is “the sole legitimate representative of the Palestine”, the “brave, intelligent leader of the Palestinian revolution”, or as perennial Israel basher and Palestinian-apologizer Henry Siegman said at the time of the Camp David meetings with Barak “both men are patriots who love their people and will reach an agreement out of a desire to do what is best”.
Why did Arafat, that wily terrorist leader let himself get outmaneuvered by the Israelis, pray tell?