Comments on: Court okays Citizenship Law, legalizing discrimination of Arabs

By: AYLA

AYLA — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:58:50 +0000

@Vicky–I don’t know if you’re still here, but I wanted to thank you for your presence and contribution.
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How can we pool all this energy toward making a difference against clear-cut injustice and blows to democracy such as this?

By: sh

sh — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:39:37 +0000

@Bosko – “Don’t just offer, present your sources.”
You seem to have abandoned ship, but it would have been nice if you’d presented yours. Just in case you change your mind, could we have a source for the long historical quote you posted that begins: “Arab violence against Jews is often alleged to have begun with the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 or as a result of Israel’s capture in 1967 of territories occupied by Jordan.”? – Thanks.

By: The Other Alan

The Other Alan — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:48:25 +0000

Here’s another Ahad Ha’am quote, pertinent today as much as it was in 1897, when Ha’am clearly saw the nature of Zionism and the Jewish State:

“The secret of our people’s persistence is — as I have tried to show elsewhere–that at a very early period the Prophets taught it to respect only spiritual power, and not to worship material power. For this reason the clash with enemies stronger than itself never brought the Jewish nation, as it did the other nations of antiquity, to the point of self-effacement. So long as we are faithful to this principle, our existence has a secure basis: for in spiritual power we are not inferior to other nations, and we have no reason to efface ourselves. But a political ideal which does not rest on the national culture is apt to seduce us from our loyalty to spiritual greatness, and to beget in us a tendency to find the path of glory in the attainment of material power and political dominion, thus breaking the thread that unites us with the past, and undermining our historical basis. Needless to say, if the political ideal is not attained, it will have disastrous consequences, because we shall have lost the old basis without finding a new one.”

and another:

” It may suffice to mention the unpleasant incident at Vienna recently, when the young “Zionists” went out to spread the gospel of “Zionism” with sticks and fisticuffs, in German fashion. And the Zionist organ regarded this incident sympathetically, and, for all its carefulness, could not conceal its satisfaction at the success of the Zionist fist.”

With Israel, it’s all ideology, reality be damned. Jews be damned too, because Zionism is the state religion.

By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:15:34 +0000

There is the 614th Commandment. Well, there are 613, I’ve read; but a man who when very young moved to Canada, thereby missing the War, made another when adult: “Give Hilter no posthumous victories.” The commandment is contested within Judaism, partly because it comes not from time, tradition. One way to read the commandment would fit the energetic, history laden views of Bosko, who does a great service to his own and others like myself (not like his own) by fighting so hard for them. There is another way, though, of reading the commandment, which would put this High Court opinion in its violation. By affirming a racial category for its own sake, one advances the logic of race conflict–and that is a posthumous victory for you-know-who, who said humans can ONLY be that way. Bosko put it well: if 20% or all Arab Israelis married nonresident Palestinians, think of the racial flood! This is the logic winning the momment.
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Congratulations to Vicky for marvelous, patient replies; keep adding to your own blog, I say in hope.
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Israel has entered its dark time in law. But remember, this vote was 6-5. Some in dissent will fight in their own way. My useless recomendations remain as always:
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1) Ever use the Declaration of Indpendence in argument.
2) Advocate it as constitutional document.
3) Note that the first Knesset, elected to write a constitution, instead turned itself in a unchecked legislature, thereby usurping soverignty.
4) Call for a constitutional convention to fulfill your founding document.
5) Assert that sitting Justices could use the Declaration as constitutional document now.
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Any Justice could use these points in concurrence or dissent. US Justice Harlan did essentially that, in American grain, and won, years after his death. No solace, I know; but one should have ideas that outlive you, not anger and hate–and fear. Ideas can keep you from becoming a hater; maybe there’s some immediate benefit in that.
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“Oh you people of power
your hour is now
you may plan to rule forever
but you never do somehow.”
–Leonard Berstein
Mass
(My God!, He’s Jewish)

By: Bosko

Bosko — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:25:53 +0000

Henry Weinstein
LOL. I think your post is the last straw. I am outa here. Now I am a psychopath LOL and Good bye …

By: Henry Weinstein

Henry Weinstein — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 01:21:51 +0000

Bosko,
Do you realize what you wrote on Friday evening and how your ‘Shabbat Blessings’ are abnormally filled with insane self-hatred?
What does that mean, these words, Bosko?
“I better stop here before I say something that I regret. But I’ll say this: I am sick of you people. I am sick of this site.
My fear is that this will end badly between left (extreme left) Israelis and the rest of Israel. I came here to try and find a semblance of good will that would bridge the gap between the two sides but all I find is hatred towards other Israeli Jews, revisionist historians and defeatism. You are a sad lot”.
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Do you realize that when you wrote this, you are dangerously close to Anders Behring Breivik, the Anti-’Arabs’ neo-Nazi militant who killed 77 Norvegian young liberal people on July 22 2011, because he hates ‘multiculturalism’?
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In late November, two Norvegian psychiatrists concluded that Breivik was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and living in his own delusional universe – and I agree and disagree with them, because he is not the only one to live in such a hatred delusional universe, Post-Fascism and Post-Nazism delirium. And for your information, Bosko, most of my (Persian) friends consider they are living under the rule of “Islamo-Nazi”.
These two psychiatrists recommanded Breivik should be sent for compulsory psychiatric treatment rather than prison, and their report was criticised by other experts, and came as a shock for many Norvegians who stated – like me – that Breivik shared his political madness with many other extremists – and on the Web, this hatred sickness is quite visible.
As a result Anders Behring Breivik will undergo new psychiatric test.
And I wonder: how to cure the other psycho-killers, whether they are Neo-Nazi, Islamo-Nazi, and guess at whom I’m thinking right now?
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/anders-behring-breivik
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Bosko, you know it would have been easy for me to slash your words, and you must understand that I took a lot on me to write this answer, being who I am coming from where I come from.
What I write here without any vanity is to call you to take care of your Self before it’s too late: psychopaths – and Germany was ruled by psychopaths in the 1930-40s – have no trouble reading other people’s thoughts, but actually what they read is their own FEAR of cognitive and affective empathy with others.
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Only the stronger are capable of love, hatred is the ultimate weakness

By: Leen

Leen — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:24:56 +0000

Edit, woops, I put your name in my name field. Sorry about that.

First of all bosko, I would like to get something straight. I would appreciate it if you don’t make assumptions of what I’m upset with, who I am upset, what my viewpoints and so on. I merely made simple observations about your posts based on my extensive research on Israeli politics and identity.
You and Lina are both allowed to express your opinion, your observations and even your emotional investment in this conflict and complex situation. Believe me, I have spent a very good deal researching from the Israeli perspective (and I am talking about Revisionist Zionism, religious Zionism, Settlers’ ideological convictions and so on). Unfortunately, I am not convinced simply because I allow facts speak for themselves and their ideological convictions does not fall in my spectrum of morality.

By: Bosko

Bosko — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:24:00 +0000

By: Bosko

Bosko — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:44:48 +0000

Leen
Yea, I ask myself the same question. It seems to me that people like you are more upset by people like me being on this site than people like Lina. Did you read what she wrote above? Do you agree with her simple story?
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Maybe that’s what keeps me on this site (for now) the hope against hope of seeing a semblance of sanity return to you guys.

By: Leen

Leen — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:23:30 +0000

Bosko,
Never said it was the Jews’ fault, neither did Ahad Haam who is a religious zionist, and advocates the return of the Jews to Eretz Israel.

If you are sick of the site, then why are on earth are you still here?