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		<title>By: NAOMI</title>
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		<dc:creator>NAOMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 12:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to this article:

http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/middle-east/israeli-drive-to-prevent-jewish-girls-dating-arabs

a survey in 2007 established that over 50% of Jewish Israelis saw mixed marriages as a form of &#039;national treason&#039;.   

Whether you regard Jewishness as a religion, a race or a historical invention, there is a serious problem here: a widespread hostile exclusionism that uses fear, hatred and inflated self-regard to attempt to define what it means to be Jewish, and Israeli.  Thanks to Yossi for exposing the state suppport of those Jewish supremacists who are actively discouraging mixed couples.  Another example of an apartheid state in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/middle-east/israeli-drive-to-prevent-jewish-girls-dating-arabs" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/middle-east/israeli-drive-to-prevent-jewish-girls-dating-arabs</a></p>
<p>a survey in 2007 established that over 50% of Jewish Israelis saw mixed marriages as a form of &#8216;national treason&#8217;.   </p>
<p>Whether you regard Jewishness as a religion, a race or a historical invention, there is a serious problem here: a widespread hostile exclusionism that uses fear, hatred and inflated self-regard to attempt to define what it means to be Jewish, and Israeli.  Thanks to Yossi for exposing the state suppport of those Jewish supremacists who are actively discouraging mixed couples.  Another example of an apartheid state in action.</p>
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		<title>By: Borg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 00:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yossi
have you burned your Talmud yet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yossi<br />
have you burned your Talmud yet</p>
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		<title>By: directrob</title>
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		<dc:creator>directrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 21:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel Yossi&#039;s pen is angry, but I still do not understand why that &quot;what Gurwitz says is not true&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel Yossi&#8217;s pen is angry, but I still do not understand why that &#8220;what Gurwitz says is not true&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 07:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now in order to be accepted by the &quot;beautiful people&quot; we have to give up Judaism as well. Giving up &quot;tribal&quot; Zionism would not be enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now in order to be accepted by the &#8220;beautiful people&#8221; we have to give up Judaism as well. Giving up &#8220;tribal&#8221; Zionism would not be enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 03:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rashid Ali-
Since I and other commentors have pointed out that what Gurwitz says is not true, I wouldn&#039;t draw any conclusions based on what he wrote here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rashid Ali-<br />
Since I and other commentors have pointed out that what Gurwitz says is not true, I wouldn&#8217;t draw any conclusions based on what he wrote here.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashid Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashid Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 23:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally am thrilled that Mr Gurwitz is revealing the inherent racism of not just zionism but judaism as well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally am thrilled that Mr Gurwitz is revealing the inherent racism of not just zionism but judaism as well</p>
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		<title>By: Borg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 23:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Israel
Yossi has noted that Nicholas Donin is more his type. That means Yossi is not just an anti-zionist but is anti-Jewish as well. Hey Yossi, did you burn your Talmud without contributing to global warming?

Nicholas Donin (Nicolas Donin) of La Rochelle, a Jewish convert to Christianity in early thirteenth-century Paris, is known for his role in the 1240 Disputation of Paris, which resulted in a decree to publicly burn all available manuscripts of the Talmud.

Contents [hide]
1 Excommunication
2 Crusader
3 Disputations 
3.1 Authority of Pope Gregory IX
3.2 Authority of King Louis IX
4 See also
5 Bibliography
 

[edit] ExcommunicationDonin was excommunicated from the ghetto of Paris by Rabbi Yechiel of Paris in the presence of the whole community and with the usual ceremonies. Having for ten years lived in the state of excommunication, though still clinging to Judaism, he was baptised into the Roman Catholic Church and joined the Franciscan Order. Some say, however, that he converted well before meeting Rabbi Yechiel of Paris. 

[edit] CrusaderDonin&#039;s first act of retaliation as a Franciscan was to stir up some Crusaders to the bloody persecutions in Brittany, Poitou, and Anjou, in which 3,000 Jews were killed, 500 accepting the alternative of baptism.

[edit] Disputations[edit] Authority of Pope Gregory IXIn 1238 Donin went to Rome, presented himself before Pope Gregory IX, and denounced the Talmud. Thirty-five articles were drawn up, in which Donin stated his charges of virulent attacks on the Virginity of Mary and the divinity of Jesus.

The Pope was persuaded that the accusations were true and dispatched to the authorities of the Church, transcripts of the charges formulated by Donin, accompanied by an order to seize all copies of the Talmud and deposit them with the Dominicans and Franciscans. If an examination corroborated the charges of Donin, the scrolls were to be burned.

[edit] Authority of King Louis IXThis order was generally ignored, except in France, where the Jews were compelled under pain of death to surrender their Talmuds (March, 1240). Louis IX ordered four of the most distinguished rabbis of France -- Yechiel of Paris, Moses of Coucy, Judah of Melun, and Samuel ben Solomon of Château-Thierry—to answer Donin in a public debate. In vain, however, did the rabbis argue against the charges of blasphemy and immorality which were the main points of Donin&#039;s arraignment. The commission condemned the Talmud to be burned. In 1242, fire was set accordingly to twenty-four carriage loads (ten to twelve-thousand volumes) of written works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Israel<br />
Yossi has noted that Nicholas Donin is more his type. That means Yossi is not just an anti-zionist but is anti-Jewish as well. Hey Yossi, did you burn your Talmud without contributing to global warming?</p>
<p>Nicholas Donin (Nicolas Donin) of La Rochelle, a Jewish convert to Christianity in early thirteenth-century Paris, is known for his role in the 1240 Disputation of Paris, which resulted in a decree to publicly burn all available manuscripts of the Talmud.</p>
<p>Contents [hide]<br />
1 Excommunication<br />
2 Crusader<br />
3 Disputations<br />
3.1 Authority of Pope Gregory IX<br />
3.2 Authority of King Louis IX<br />
4 See also<br />
5 Bibliography</p>
<p>[edit] ExcommunicationDonin was excommunicated from the ghetto of Paris by Rabbi Yechiel of Paris in the presence of the whole community and with the usual ceremonies. Having for ten years lived in the state of excommunication, though still clinging to Judaism, he was baptised into the Roman Catholic Church and joined the Franciscan Order. Some say, however, that he converted well before meeting Rabbi Yechiel of Paris. </p>
<p>[edit] CrusaderDonin&#8217;s first act of retaliation as a Franciscan was to stir up some Crusaders to the bloody persecutions in Brittany, Poitou, and Anjou, in which 3,000 Jews were killed, 500 accepting the alternative of baptism.</p>
<p>[edit] Disputations[edit] Authority of Pope Gregory IXIn 1238 Donin went to Rome, presented himself before Pope Gregory IX, and denounced the Talmud. Thirty-five articles were drawn up, in which Donin stated his charges of virulent attacks on the Virginity of Mary and the divinity of Jesus.</p>
<p>The Pope was persuaded that the accusations were true and dispatched to the authorities of the Church, transcripts of the charges formulated by Donin, accompanied by an order to seize all copies of the Talmud and deposit them with the Dominicans and Franciscans. If an examination corroborated the charges of Donin, the scrolls were to be burned.</p>
<p>[edit] Authority of King Louis IXThis order was generally ignored, except in France, where the Jews were compelled under pain of death to surrender their Talmuds (March, 1240). Louis IX ordered four of the most distinguished rabbis of France &#8212; Yechiel of Paris, Moses of Coucy, Judah of Melun, and Samuel ben Solomon of Château-Thierry—to answer Donin in a public debate. In vain, however, did the rabbis argue against the charges of blasphemy and immorality which were the main points of Donin&#8217;s arraignment. The commission condemned the Talmud to be burned. In 1242, fire was set accordingly to twenty-four carriage loads (ten to twelve-thousand volumes) of written works.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 08:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yossi - this is your quote:
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Ultra-Orthodox and many Orthodox – in Israel, at least – do not accept converts as full Jews. They are required to marry among themselves, for instance. It’s particularly bad for female converts, as they are considered a priori to be prostitutes. 
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They are NOT &quot;required&quot; to marry among themselves, although many, maybe most Haredim do prefer to marry within their own circles. Just like &quot;progressive&quot; Jews. I know of a secular Jew whose child married a religious Jew and although the secular child did NOT adopt a full religious lifestyle (although he agreed to have only kosher food in the house) he was practically disowned by their parents.  What do you mean &quot;they don&#039;t accept them as full Jews&quot;?  They don&#039;t count them in a minyan?
What, then?  Some Jews have various prejudices so that gives you the right to extrapolate against all Jews?  Why does it give you pleasure to do so? The &quot;occupation&quot; isn&#039;t enough so you feel you have to bad mouth the entire state of Israel and maybe the entire Jewish people so that you can push your political agenda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yossi &#8211; this is your quote:<br />
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Ultra-Orthodox and many Orthodox – in Israel, at least – do not accept converts as full Jews. They are required to marry among themselves, for instance. It’s particularly bad for female converts, as they are considered a priori to be prostitutes.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
They are NOT &#8220;required&#8221; to marry among themselves, although many, maybe most Haredim do prefer to marry within their own circles. Just like &#8220;progressive&#8221; Jews. I know of a secular Jew whose child married a religious Jew and although the secular child did NOT adopt a full religious lifestyle (although he agreed to have only kosher food in the house) he was practically disowned by their parents.  What do you mean &#8220;they don&#8217;t accept them as full Jews&#8221;?  They don&#8217;t count them in a minyan?<br />
What, then?  Some Jews have various prejudices so that gives you the right to extrapolate against all Jews?  Why does it give you pleasure to do so? The &#8220;occupation&#8221; isn&#8217;t enough so you feel you have to bad mouth the entire state of Israel and maybe the entire Jewish people so that you can push your political agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 06:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, now I think about it, I believe that anyone with any halachically Jewish grandparent can claim Israeli citizenship, though unless the grandparent is their mother&#039;s mother, they themselves will not be halachically Jewish, and hence will still need a conversion to Judaism, which is sometimes neither plausible to the rabbinate nor desired by the immigrant, and it is precisely this hiatus of identity which leads some such immigrants to become &#039;neo-nazis&#039;, even though they were no such thing before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, now I think about it, I believe that anyone with any halachically Jewish grandparent can claim Israeli citizenship, though unless the grandparent is their mother&#8217;s mother, they themselves will not be halachically Jewish, and hence will still need a conversion to Judaism, which is sometimes neither plausible to the rabbinate nor desired by the immigrant, and it is precisely this hiatus of identity which leads some such immigrants to become &#8216;neo-nazis&#8217;, even though they were no such thing before.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 06:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arguing about the semantics of the word &quot;race&quot; is a distraction. It is fantastically difficult for someone not of Jewish matrilineal descent to &#039;become a Jew&#039; to the satisfaction of Israeli orthodox rabbinate. However, as a comment observes above, even Russian neo-nazis can claim israeli citizenship if they are of Jewish matrilineal descent, whether the rabbinate likes it or not. Draw your own conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arguing about the semantics of the word &#8220;race&#8221; is a distraction. It is fantastically difficult for someone not of Jewish matrilineal descent to &#8216;become a Jew&#8217; to the satisfaction of Israeli orthodox rabbinate. However, as a comment observes above, even Russian neo-nazis can claim israeli citizenship if they are of Jewish matrilineal descent, whether the rabbinate likes it or not. Draw your own conclusion.</p>
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