Comments on: For Palestinians, the Nakba is not history

By: Leen

Leen — Wed, 15 May 2013 07:39:13 +0000

Kolumn, as per the Oslo agreements, any person issued an Israeli ID number at birth cannot acquire a Palestinian ID number, even if they lose their Israeli residency. So if a Palestinian loses their Israeli residency, they cannot acquire a Palestinian ID, which in short means they can no longer live in either Israel or Palestine, which in short is the continuation of ‘Nakba’. This is what I think Aziz is referring to.

By: Leen

Leen — Wed, 15 May 2013 07:35:27 +0000

‘y the way, could somebody please remember me whose side the Palestinians took on, during the Shoah? Thanks’
Not all Palestinians.
The majority of Palestinians had no participation or support for either the Nazis nor the Allies. However the Hajj Husseini was on the side of the Nazis (remember, he was not the only one though, Stern Gang and Lehi had relations with the Nazis). The Nashashibis did not and were on the side of the allies.
That was natural, up until 1944-45 where more information was made about the genocide of the Jews, people were picking sides. Remember, King Edward was for a while sympathetic towards the Nazis, no one seems to be holding it against the British though. Same thing with Henry Ford (who as we know was the founder of one of the biggest, if not the biggest, industry in the US at the time of WW2) and a very influential person.

By: Leen

Leen — Wed, 15 May 2013 07:22:13 +0000

Aziz, today is the 65th anniversary of the Nakba, not the 64th.

By: aristeides

aristeides — Wed, 15 May 2013 01:57:53 +0000

Get back to me, Matt, when Jews stop building more Holocaust museums.

By: Sinjim

Sinjim — Tue, 14 May 2013 18:10:36 +0000

I have to stand in awe of your talents, Ayla. Yet again, you’ve managed to make this all about you and your emotions and feelings and fears.

On this one day, this one day out of the whole year, I would venture to say Palestinians do not give a flying rat’s tail what Israelis or Jews think about the Nakba or its commemoration by your victims and their descendents. This isn’t about you, it’s about us.

Keep your belly-aching about the implications of this or that aspect of the Nakba to yourself. At least for today.

By: Kerry

Kerry — Sat, 19 May 2012 19:00:01 +0000

The Arabs should assimilate their brethren as Israel did and still does. Remember 650,000 Jew were expelled from Arab lands too.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Wed, 16 May 2012 11:07:02 +0000

“The misery of the Palestinian Arabs is one they have brought on themselves for refusing to accept Jews before ’48 and Jews and Israel after 48.”

A false and cruel analysis. Cruel for the blanket curse on subsequent generations, rather than accountability for actions as a basis of judgment. Three generations ago?

Are we to be so cursed as well?

XYZ,
You fear words? Do you fear your own?

We have the capability of restraining our own words only. And, it is our obligation in the world NOT to create unnecessary hardship really anywhere.

Or, do you think that it is permissable to harm when we are afraid, that fear justifies harming?

I don’t. The only harming that I understand as permissable, morally or halachically, is when under immediate tangible danger, not 3 moves out.

By: AYLA

AYLA — Wed, 16 May 2012 07:42:07 +0000

K9–knowing a lot and seeing things differently than you doesn’t make one disingenuous.
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By: Greg Pollock

Greg Pollock — Wed, 16 May 2012 05:56:31 +0000

Two quotes form Kolumn9, above:
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“Some Israeli Arabs complain that there are borders between them their brethren in Beirut. They all point to this as signs of an ongoing Nakba. To the untrained eye it would appear more as a generalized complaint that Israel continues to exist.”
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“accepting my neighbor’s justification that it is legitimate to kill me doesn’t make it less likely that he will kill me.”
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I do not believe polls show that Arab Israeli citizens have no great desire to see the disolution of Israel. Perhaps they are all lying out of fear. But let’s risk it: let’s begin to break the racial analysis barrier by dealing with civil rights for all Israeli citizens. Or should we discard citizenship for pure racial categories? I think Nakba is being used by the right to that end.

By: Ben Waxman

Ben Waxman — Wed, 16 May 2012 04:54:59 +0000

“Think about Tisha b’av and the Jewish people mourning over the destroyed temple.”

for the jewish people, tisha b’av is not only about the destruction but about the mistakes that we made, the sins that we committed, the stupidities and illusions that we lived in, and the required introspection needed to overcome these follies. that is what is missing from all the nakba discussions.

for arabs to ask/demand that israeli jews understand that palestinians suffered/paid a heavy price in 48 is a legitimate demand. for arabs to place all the responsibility for 48 and the so-called ongoing nakba, well the phrase in hebrew is best: lo ba beshbon.