14 comments for ”Finally, Iran plan wakes Israel up to “the Israeli threat”“

    
  1. Appreciate the article, but really! “Ultra-liberal Zionist” is an impossible oxymoron. How much pain you must suffer from twisting yourself into such an illogical pretzel!

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  3. Barak is a bungler and an incompetant fool. His career as Prime Minister and Defense Minister is one long record of one disaster after another. It is amazing that after he led Israel into the terrible suicide bomber war and two disastrous electoral defeats he is still around.
    In any event, he and his predecessors worked hard to destroy the IDF’s fighting ability, particularly in large, complex operations. Thus, I find it impossible to think that this defeatist would even contemplate an attack on Iran. Bibi would never dream of acting on his own, being from the Likud he would be an international pariah if he were to start a war, so he must hide behind Barak’s skirts. (Olmert could start two wars since he is from the ‘peace camp’).I don’t know why we keep hearing all these reports, but it just doesn’t make any sense to think they would really want to start a war with Iran.

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  5. Thanks for this important piece. My personal hypothesis (and fervent hope) is that these two do not have a death wish for the state of Israel and that this is just the usual “saber-rattling.” There’s another more graphic term to describe this macho posturing but I won’t use it in a public forum.

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  7. I have never expected an Israeli attack on Iran, but this is ridiculous.
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    First, the government is the one making decisions here. It could easily order an attack on Iran tomorrow, and none of the yammering would make any difference. The IDF would follow orders, and those that don’t will be removed.
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    Second, there can be (and is no) “public discussion” here, since the public can’t know anything of significance, and we wouldn’t be able to make any related decision public. What we have here is scaremongering (all of which relies on secret data and speculations) by everyone, especially Yedioth which used to scaremonger for the other side too. It is particularly noteworthy that Yedioth wouldn’t publish support for an attack right now, and YH wouldn’t publish opposition (or anything too different than “there’s no room for discussion”). That’s no discussion.
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    In short, all we have here is a typical self-congratulation session of the Israeli media, plus a typical scaremongering session. Nothing much has changed, save for perhaps Lieberman’s vote change. If Bibi and Barak really plan an attack (which I strongly doubt), than they are a bit closer than they were a week ago.

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  9. I hope your opinion of the decision is accurate.

    I didn’t believe that the Barnea article represented anything substantive, until Barak publicly stated “well, we’re not really sure”, indicating that it was being actively proposed, not just an academic possibility.

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  11. My guess is B & B are stirring up a tempest in a teapot to help the US pressure holdouts on Iran sanctions – “see [says Obama], we can barely restrain our mad dog so you better support sanctions before all hell breaks loose” Good cop bad cop tactics, in other words.

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  13. Fabulous analysis,a port in the storm of mass hysteria, and I too hope your opinion is accurate.. Thank you Larry.

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  15. Jenny: “twisting yourself into an illogical pretzel”
    That expression will stay with me. Absolutely terrific.

    And Larry: Your post gives me hope.

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  17. It’s amazing that Israel expects no counterattack to be substantive as they go ahead with plans to decapitate the Iranian civilian nuclear program.

    Of course then again, no one is talking about the Palestinian state declaration anymore and whether Apartheid will be sued into oblivion at the ICC.

    Maybe Bibi feels he has nothing left to lose with the Palestinian state moving forward and so why not just kick the chessboard and attack Iran.

    If Iran had enough deterrence capabilities to completely remove Dimona and any number of other targets would Bibi be as sanguine?

    What’s the diff between Saddam Hussein attacking Kuwait and Bibi attacking Iran?

    What price could Israel be made to pay if it belligerently attacks Iran?

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  19. How are we to evaluate what is still only a future possibility at this stage?

    Are we looking at a practical proposition here, a firm intention to escalate the conflict or is it just one more example of sabre-rattling? The truth is that we may never know unless the deed is actually done. And, if this does happen, then what outcome can we expect?
    Perhaps we should be looking at what would be the worst-case scenario and trying to see where that would lead us.

    Let’s say Israel decides to bomb Iran’s nascent nuclear weapons facilities and, assuming a successful strike can be and is carried out, how will the situation stand then? Not in a good place, that’s for sure.
    The Arab-Israeli divide would yawn even wider than before, Western relationships in many Arab countries could be put under enormous strain and Iran’s response will be very unlikely to improve matters one little bit.

    The problems, as ever, are long-term (nuclear) security from Israel’s point of view and Iran’s refusal to accept Israel as a legitimately installed country with no more territorial ambitions whatsover. Not exactly a marriage made in Heaven, is it?

    So what to do? If nothing is done, then things will simply go from bad to worse with everything just hanging fire, waiting for whatever flare-up ignites the next round of hostilities. This, essentially, is the position as it has been for the past 63 years. In all that time, no active arrangement has been installed that will address any of the fundamental issues, no real counter-balance to mitigate against all the curves thrown at us by this continual crisis. It controls our actions – or lack thereof; we never seem able to control it.

    Isn’t it about time we did something other than meekly accept our inadequacy in the face of such obdurate circumstances?

    Doing something is better than doing nothing; it shows we’re interested and want to help. That, at the very least, should be our primary objective.

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  21. I wish the United States would wake up to the Israeli Threat

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  23. @ Aristeides.

    We are waking up, slowly by most standards, but we’re watching.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4144144,00.html

    They were not all Palestinians…

    TATA

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  25. This is NOT insignificant.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/iran-will-be-able-to-build-nuclear-bomb-within-months-iaea-says-1.394162

    I couldn’t find publication of the actual report. I’m sure it will be up soon.

    Why is 972 not discussing this? Surely it is critical news development.

    Two things should be discussed.

    1. The politics of it (that’s being discussed ad nauseum on various blogs, Mondoweiss, MJ Rosenberg, others)

    2. The substance of the arguments, relative to the US and to Israel. Why consider attacking Iran at all? Why should Israel or Iran not attack Iran?

    What are the geo-political interrelated themes?

    What is the better argument?



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