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	<title>Comments on: Israel puts Eritrean woman in administrative detention for buying fake work permit</title>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/eritrean-woman-placed-in-administrative-detention-for-purchasing-fake-work-permit/65681/comment-page-1/#comment-108218</link>
		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, reading it again won&#039;t help. You&#039;ll have to elaborate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, reading it again won&#8217;t help. You&#8217;ll have to elaborate.</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;You are not, alas, Luxemberg, surrounded by treaty signatories under the rule of law.

The fact that Israel is surrounded by semi-savage countries where human rights simply does not exist, does not mean that Israel is obliged to uphold these rights at all costs.

&gt;You want them out...

I&#039;ve never said that I want them out.

All I want is them to stop taking jobs and stealing bicycles from my fellow citizens.

Too much, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;You are not, alas, Luxemberg, surrounded by treaty signatories under the rule of law.</p>
<p>The fact that Israel is surrounded by semi-savage countries where human rights simply does not exist, does not mean that Israel is obliged to uphold these rights at all costs.</p>
<p>&gt;You want them out&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never said that I want them out.</p>
<p>All I want is them to stop taking jobs and stealing bicycles from my fellow citizens.</p>
<p>Too much, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The law is not about economic calculus.

The law is about economic calculus as well, which is why I can&#039;t just travel to Germany or USA and start working there.

&gt;radically, it does not, for society is more than the State.

State exists and works to safeguard interests of it&#039;s citizens.

&gt;If you are going to admit them under treaty then they minimally must be allowed to work or be placed in camps.

Not truth. Treaty does not define whether host state is obliged to provide jobs, shelter or anything to refugees.

&gt;Germany does both.

Good. So why wouldn&#039;t they take all the refugees? Huh?

&gt;This would not happen in Israel; once in a camp, you will stay there–period.

Which is one of a very few good things done by the government.

&gt;Passer notes that by denying oversight to Interior Ministry decisions these people are removed from due process and the rule of law.

Again - the state of Israel is not obliged to provide shelter or employment to refugees. There is simply no such law. Passer are notorious for making things up while silencing inconvenient facts.

&gt;A law of exclusion is building in your land. You may find it congenial now, but it will come to control you, not conversely.

The law in this case defending interests of permanent residents of this entire land.

Obviously, you wouldn&#039;t know that these refugees had taken a great many of jobs on which Palestinians were employed and are in part responsible for unemployment rise in territories. How would you? Passer surely wouldn&#039;t write anything like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;The law is not about economic calculus.</p>
<p>The law is about economic calculus as well, which is why I can&#8217;t just travel to Germany or USA and start working there.</p>
<p>&gt;radically, it does not, for society is more than the State.</p>
<p>State exists and works to safeguard interests of it&#8217;s citizens.</p>
<p>&gt;If you are going to admit them under treaty then they minimally must be allowed to work or be placed in camps.</p>
<p>Not truth. Treaty does not define whether host state is obliged to provide jobs, shelter or anything to refugees.</p>
<p>&gt;Germany does both.</p>
<p>Good. So why wouldn&#8217;t they take all the refugees? Huh?</p>
<p>&gt;This would not happen in Israel; once in a camp, you will stay there–period.</p>
<p>Which is one of a very few good things done by the government.</p>
<p>&gt;Passer notes that by denying oversight to Interior Ministry decisions these people are removed from due process and the rule of law.</p>
<p>Again &#8211; the state of Israel is not obliged to provide shelter or employment to refugees. There is simply no such law. Passer are notorious for making things up while silencing inconvenient facts.</p>
<p>&gt;A law of exclusion is building in your land. You may find it congenial now, but it will come to control you, not conversely.</p>
<p>The law in this case defending interests of permanent residents of this entire land.</p>
<p>Obviously, you wouldn&#8217;t know that these refugees had taken a great many of jobs on which Palestinians were employed and are in part responsible for unemployment rise in territories. How would you? Passer surely wouldn&#8217;t write anything like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At best, a country of first asylum must be willing to grant effective asylum.  If you mean Egypt, I think it safe to say Egypt is most wanting in this area.  You are not, alas, Luxemberg, surrounded by treaty signatories under the rule of law.

Once again, the High Court has already said you cannot expelled them, and the State has admitted them in residency.  The only hearing they have had is that residency permit--which must mean they are either awaiting a hearing or just had their hearing.

You want them out and are going to contort the law to that end.  As I have said before--just abrogate the treaty and be done with it.  Why would you want to be a signatory to such at thing?  There must be a reason, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At best, a country of first asylum must be willing to grant effective asylum.  If you mean Egypt, I think it safe to say Egypt is most wanting in this area.  You are not, alas, Luxemberg, surrounded by treaty signatories under the rule of law.</p>
<p>Once again, the High Court has already said you cannot expelled them, and the State has admitted them in residency.  The only hearing they have had is that residency permit&#8211;which must mean they are either awaiting a hearing or just had their hearing.</p>
<p>You want them out and are going to contort the law to that end.  As I have said before&#8211;just abrogate the treaty and be done with it.  Why would you want to be a signatory to such at thing?  There must be a reason, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The law is not about economic calculus.  You have a pronounced tendency to formulate the law as if it existed for the State; radically, it does not, for society is more than the State.  If you are going to admit them under treaty then they minimally must be allowed to work or be placed in camps.  Germany does both.  But note that recently in Germany camp inmates were allowed to protest march in favor of being granted work visas and so dispersed from the camps.  This would not happen in Israel; once in a camp, you will stay there--period.

Passer notes that by denying oversight to Interior Ministry decisions these people are removed from due process and the rule of law.  A law of exclusion is building in your land.  You may find it congenial now, but it will come to control you, not conversely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law is not about economic calculus.  You have a pronounced tendency to formulate the law as if it existed for the State; radically, it does not, for society is more than the State.  If you are going to admit them under treaty then they minimally must be allowed to work or be placed in camps.  Germany does both.  But note that recently in Germany camp inmates were allowed to protest march in favor of being granted work visas and so dispersed from the camps.  This would not happen in Israel; once in a camp, you will stay there&#8211;period.</p>
<p>Passer notes that by denying oversight to Interior Ministry decisions these people are removed from due process and the rule of law.  A law of exclusion is building in your land.  You may find it congenial now, but it will come to control you, not conversely.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be a reason why your Supreme Court denied general expulsion in the first place; from what I have read, it is because they are indeed covered by the treaty.  In fact, what the Court is now beginning to say is that the Knesset approved concentration camp is the way out given refugees may not be summarily expelled.  My guess is that a different Justices sat on the first High Court pannel, with later pannals doing their best to restrict the national impact of that first ruling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be a reason why your Supreme Court denied general expulsion in the first place; from what I have read, it is because they are indeed covered by the treaty.  In fact, what the Court is now beginning to say is that the Knesset approved concentration camp is the way out given refugees may not be summarily expelled.  My guess is that a different Justices sat on the first High Court pannel, with later pannals doing their best to restrict the national impact of that first ruling.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed the point completely.  Try reading it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed the point completely.  Try reading it again.</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Releasing a refugee into the State without the ability to legally work creates a crime, enforced or not, for the refugee will try and survive.

Introducing a large mass of a cheap labour to an unprepared market imminently would impact citizens of the state who are doing these jobs.

Apparently you are not grasping numbers.
Population of Tel Aviv is about 400 000, of all ages, about 50% is 22-60. Refugees are numbered probably is high as 25 000 - 30 000, which comprises more than 15% of total available fork force.

Only people who have not even slightest idea about the economics would suggest that state should create conditions where unemployment might rise by as much as 10%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Releasing a refugee into the State without the ability to legally work creates a crime, enforced or not, for the refugee will try and survive.</p>
<p>Introducing a large mass of a cheap labour to an unprepared market imminently would impact citizens of the state who are doing these jobs.</p>
<p>Apparently you are not grasping numbers.<br />
Population of Tel Aviv is about 400 000, of all ages, about 50% is 22-60. Refugees are numbered probably is high as 25 000 &#8211; 30 000, which comprises more than 15% of total available fork force.</p>
<p>Only people who have not even slightest idea about the economics would suggest that state should create conditions where unemployment might rise by as much as 10%</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a matter of fact, Israel is not the country of first asylum, which means that they they have no legal right to be here and Israel is not obliged to grant residency or work permits. On exactly the same basis you could complain that she does not have a right to work in Germany.

She&#039;s not there, you&#039;d say. Right. 
So if I put her on the plane and send her to Germany she would be granted residence and work permit? I seriously doubt that. What would happen is that she&#039;d be returned to Israel by the next flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of fact, Israel is not the country of first asylum, which means that they they have no legal right to be here and Israel is not obliged to grant residency or work permits. On exactly the same basis you could complain that she does not have a right to work in Germany.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s not there, you&#8217;d say. Right.<br />
So if I put her on the plane and send her to Germany she would be granted residence and work permit? I seriously doubt that. What would happen is that she&#8217;d be returned to Israel by the next flight.</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think that being Jewish automatically grants immunity from being persecuted on basis of immigration offences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think that being Jewish automatically grants immunity from being persecuted on basis of immigration offences?</p>
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