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	<title>Comments on: Eritrean apartment set on fire in Jerusalem; four injured</title>
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		<title>By: Art Kalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Kalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you surprised? Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset said and quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, in the “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982. “Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leaders with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you surprised? Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset said and quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, in the “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982. “Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leaders with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” -</p>
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		<title>By: Piotr Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piotr Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that a specific discussion on the problems of refugees in Israel can be continued on this thread: http://972mag.com/israeli-coalition-members-speak-about-refugees/47455/

The topic is roughly the same, with the extra political dimension:  which political parties are engaged in the incitement, did ANYONE condemn it apart from Foreign Ministry, comparisons with politics in Europe etc. e.g. are there any other government ministers or ruling coalition members recommending shooting &quot;infiltrators&quot; on the spot etc.

Concerning color revolutions, there were not that many, Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia, Kyrgyzstan.  Arab Spring revolutions are quite different, in Libia, Syria, Mali and Yemen they created or increased internal chaos, in Tunisia and Egypt they probably lead to Islamists governments with some progressive traits, in Bahrain it was suppressed etc.  Hard to see any &quot;globalization of economies&quot;.

Among the classic color revolution, the unequivocal success can be declared for Montenegro which has candidate member status for EU and NATO.  In Ukraine, neither is popular and &quot;revolution&quot; was reversed.  In Kyrgyzstan, neither could be contemplated, and there was already color counter-revolution fomented by Russia.  Georgia is a special case, but effectively this is part of another trend: pipeline politics.  This is where the real action is, and a competent conspiracy theorist can find rich paydirt with convoluted intrigues by the dozen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that a specific discussion on the problems of refugees in Israel can be continued on this thread: <a href="http://972mag.com/israeli-coalition-members-speak-about-refugees/47455/" rel="nofollow">http://972mag.com/israeli-coalition-members-speak-about-refugees/47455/</a></p>
<p>The topic is roughly the same, with the extra political dimension:  which political parties are engaged in the incitement, did ANYONE condemn it apart from Foreign Ministry, comparisons with politics in Europe etc. e.g. are there any other government ministers or ruling coalition members recommending shooting &#8220;infiltrators&#8221; on the spot etc.</p>
<p>Concerning color revolutions, there were not that many, Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia, Kyrgyzstan.  Arab Spring revolutions are quite different, in Libia, Syria, Mali and Yemen they created or increased internal chaos, in Tunisia and Egypt they probably lead to Islamists governments with some progressive traits, in Bahrain it was suppressed etc.  Hard to see any &#8220;globalization of economies&#8221;.</p>
<p>Among the classic color revolution, the unequivocal success can be declared for Montenegro which has candidate member status for EU and NATO.  In Ukraine, neither is popular and &#8220;revolution&#8221; was reversed.  In Kyrgyzstan, neither could be contemplated, and there was already color counter-revolution fomented by Russia.  Georgia is a special case, but effectively this is part of another trend: pipeline politics.  This is where the real action is, and a competent conspiracy theorist can find rich paydirt with convoluted intrigues by the dozen.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 06:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always difficult to know whether to respond to things people say that are off-topic. But colour revolutions are precisely about opening economies. There is abundant documentation online about this. The relevant question is why Israel should be exempt from what seems otherwise to be a comprehensive, US-centric process of imposed globalisation of economies. The right wing (the real right wing, that is) consider that this is evidence that the would-be globalisers feel no need or desire to &#039;globalise&#039; Israel&#039;s economy, in the sense of opening it to outside control. It&#039;s intended, according to the right-wingers (the real ones, again) to be the controller of the future globalised economy, not to be controlled by anyone else, even the supposedly omnipotent USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always difficult to know whether to respond to things people say that are off-topic. But colour revolutions are precisely about opening economies. There is abundant documentation online about this. The relevant question is why Israel should be exempt from what seems otherwise to be a comprehensive, US-centric process of imposed globalisation of economies. The right wing (the real right wing, that is) consider that this is evidence that the would-be globalisers feel no need or desire to &#8216;globalise&#8217; Israel&#8217;s economy, in the sense of opening it to outside control. It&#8217;s intended, according to the right-wingers (the real ones, again) to be the controller of the future globalised economy, not to be controlled by anyone else, even the supposedly omnipotent USA.</p>
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		<title>By: Piotr Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piotr Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not see what was written about Soros in JPost but from the little I did see, JPost does qualify as a &quot;paranoid website&quot;.  I did not see evidence for Soros-Rothschild link, although they are a bit similar in political thinking.  Historically, Rothschilds had huge role in the creation of Israel and private aid to Israel in the early years.  Seems that like European establishment in general, Soros and Rothschilds are not fans of the current illiberal trend in Israel.

It seems that &quot;everybody&quot; in Eastern Europe got a grant from Soros at some point, but it is quite naive to think that this gives control of events.  For example, Poland may seem to be a Soroslandia.  Foundation of Stefan Batory was created with auspices of OSI, and it seems to be very connected to political and economic elite, and the current government.  Those people are absolutely hated by the people of the previous government and the current main opposition that adores Victor Orban of Hungary.

And Orban, dubbed &quot;Victator of Orbanistan&quot; by his detractors, had his share of Soros grants in the past.



Color revolution is a yet different story, and they did not open any economies for anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not see what was written about Soros in JPost but from the little I did see, JPost does qualify as a &#8220;paranoid website&#8221;.  I did not see evidence for Soros-Rothschild link, although they are a bit similar in political thinking.  Historically, Rothschilds had huge role in the creation of Israel and private aid to Israel in the early years.  Seems that like European establishment in general, Soros and Rothschilds are not fans of the current illiberal trend in Israel.</p>
<p>It seems that &#8220;everybody&#8221; in Eastern Europe got a grant from Soros at some point, but it is quite naive to think that this gives control of events.  For example, Poland may seem to be a Soroslandia.  Foundation of Stefan Batory was created with auspices of OSI, and it seems to be very connected to political and economic elite, and the current government.  Those people are absolutely hated by the people of the previous government and the current main opposition that adores Victor Orban of Hungary.</p>
<p>And Orban, dubbed &#8220;Victator of Orbanistan&#8221; by his detractors, had his share of Soros grants in the past.</p>
<p>Color revolution is a yet different story, and they did not open any economies for anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 20:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s right, Piotr, paranoid websites like the JPost. Soros is well-known for his “Open Society” network, which is dedicated to opening up closed economies to liberal penetration via ‘colour revolutions.’ If it tried to open a branch in Israel, I’m sure the JPost would label it a commie front. It’s testimony to the illogic of zio-politics that the US can be using outfits like Soros’ to force open closed economies elsewhere, but not in Israel.&quot;


I would love to know what you&#039;re smoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s right, Piotr, paranoid websites like the JPost. Soros is well-known for his “Open Society” network, which is dedicated to opening up closed economies to liberal penetration via ‘colour revolutions.’ If it tried to open a branch in Israel, I’m sure the JPost would label it a commie front. It’s testimony to the illogic of zio-politics that the US can be using outfits like Soros’ to force open closed economies elsewhere, but not in Israel.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would love to know what you&#8217;re smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right, Piotr, paranoid websites like the JPost. Soros is well-known for his &quot;Open Society&quot; network, which is dedicated to opening up closed economies to liberal penetration via &#039;colour revolutions.&#039; If it tried to open a branch in Israel, I&#039;m sure the JPost would label it a commie front. It&#039;s testimony to the illogic of zio-politics that the US can be using outfits like Soros&#039; to force open closed economies elsewhere, but not in Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, Piotr, paranoid websites like the JPost. Soros is well-known for his &#8220;Open Society&#8221; network, which is dedicated to opening up closed economies to liberal penetration via &#8216;colour revolutions.&#8217; If it tried to open a branch in Israel, I&#8217;m sure the JPost would label it a commie front. It&#8217;s testimony to the illogic of zio-politics that the US can be using outfits like Soros&#8217; to force open closed economies elsewhere, but not in Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Piotr Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piotr Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mention Soros in discussion about impunity.  In Tel-Aviv an arsonist was found quickly, and so were soccer hooligans in Jerusalem.  The impunity covers those who incite the hooligans and also the settlers.

Rowan seems to follow too much paranoid websites where phrase &quot;Rotschild Zionist and commie&quot; are applied to George Soros.  I think that neither Rotschilds (large family, and I know details) nor Soros are among the benefactors of Zionist or neo-con think tanks, settlements or pet Israeli politicians.  Plus he publicly criticized Israeli government, and donated to J-Street.  That makes him a heretic among main-line Zionists, and in the same time &quot;too Zionist&quot; for many commenters here.  The train of the Zionist project departed from the station of Liberalism some time ago, so Zionists who are stranded on that station do not have easy life.

By the way of contrast, Michael Bloomberg was very active in fund raising for Joe Lieberman who is a zealous Zionist and probably belongs to the network of Zionist fat cats (I doubt that his munificence was limited to Lieberman).  If his secretary calls the office of an Israeli minister, the minister listens.

Jerusalem seems to have more effective thugs than Tel-Aviv, they honed their skills on Palestinians and Christians.  The perpetrators of the arson are probably among &quot;usual suspects&quot; known to police, but if they do not brag about what they did, they may remain at large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mention Soros in discussion about impunity.  In Tel-Aviv an arsonist was found quickly, and so were soccer hooligans in Jerusalem.  The impunity covers those who incite the hooligans and also the settlers.</p>
<p>Rowan seems to follow too much paranoid websites where phrase &#8220;Rotschild Zionist and commie&#8221; are applied to George Soros.  I think that neither Rotschilds (large family, and I know details) nor Soros are among the benefactors of Zionist or neo-con think tanks, settlements or pet Israeli politicians.  Plus he publicly criticized Israeli government, and donated to J-Street.  That makes him a heretic among main-line Zionists, and in the same time &#8220;too Zionist&#8221; for many commenters here.  The train of the Zionist project departed from the station of Liberalism some time ago, so Zionists who are stranded on that station do not have easy life.</p>
<p>By the way of contrast, Michael Bloomberg was very active in fund raising for Joe Lieberman who is a zealous Zionist and probably belongs to the network of Zionist fat cats (I doubt that his munificence was limited to Lieberman).  If his secretary calls the office of an Israeli minister, the minister listens.</p>
<p>Jerusalem seems to have more effective thugs than Tel-Aviv, they honed their skills on Palestinians and Christians.  The perpetrators of the arson are probably among &#8220;usual suspects&#8221; known to police, but if they do not brag about what they did, they may remain at large.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, yes: I knew someone once who reminded me (though they had nothing whatever in common) of someone else I knew once (though I didn&#039;t understand a word either of them said, or even listen very hard) whom I discovered I could safely label as an &#039;anti-Semite&#039; (even though he was a Jew). That&#039;s incisive criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, yes: I knew someone once who reminded me (though they had nothing whatever in common) of someone else I knew once (though I didn&#8217;t understand a word either of them said, or even listen very hard) whom I discovered I could safely label as an &#8216;anti-Semite&#8217; (even though he was a Jew). That&#8217;s incisive criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this thread has made me paranoid, but I can&#039;t help wondering if Joachim Martillo is pretending to be Rowan Berkeley. Or maybe Rowan Berkeley is just doing a good imitation of Joachim Martillio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this thread has made me paranoid, but I can&#8217;t help wondering if Joachim Martillo is pretending to be Rowan Berkeley. Or maybe Rowan Berkeley is just doing a good imitation of Joachim Martillio.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s just look at a few of the things this Rabbi Moshe Safir said: &quot;The worst a Jew will ever do to you will be better than bullets&quot; is a flat lie; describing Sudanese refugees as members of a &quot;society personifying a social time bomb of robbery, violence, sodomy as well as assimilation alongside the destruction of the institute of marriage and the proper family unit&quot; is racist almost beyond comprehension; &quot;the Jewish people returned to their homeland after many years in exile to fulfill the positive potential of the human race&quot; is sanctimonious humbug with racist undertones; the description of the Jews in Germany as &quot;a foreign and honest people who only benefitted it (i.e. Germany) and balanced it with its (i.e. their) pure virtues&quot; is humbug; and the rest is hypocrisy. I assume this Rabbi Safir is fairly typical product of his class. Wouldn&#039;t you agree that this sort of bilge is inevitable when all significant criticism and analysis of Jewish attitudes and behaviour is banned practically world-wide as &quot;anti-Semitic&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just look at a few of the things this Rabbi Moshe Safir said: &#8220;The worst a Jew will ever do to you will be better than bullets&#8221; is a flat lie; describing Sudanese refugees as members of a &#8220;society personifying a social time bomb of robbery, violence, sodomy as well as assimilation alongside the destruction of the institute of marriage and the proper family unit&#8221; is racist almost beyond comprehension; &#8220;the Jewish people returned to their homeland after many years in exile to fulfill the positive potential of the human race&#8221; is sanctimonious humbug with racist undertones; the description of the Jews in Germany as &#8220;a foreign and honest people who only benefitted it (i.e. Germany) and balanced it with its (i.e. their) pure virtues&#8221; is humbug; and the rest is hypocrisy. I assume this Rabbi Safir is fairly typical product of his class. Wouldn&#8217;t you agree that this sort of bilge is inevitable when all significant criticism and analysis of Jewish attitudes and behaviour is banned practically world-wide as &#8220;anti-Semitic&#8221;?</p>
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