13 comments for ”End of year poll updates: Israel and Palestine“

    
  1. Dahlia-
    I recall having an interesting dialogue here with you a few weeks ago about an earlier poll you posted.
    Like that one, this one seems to go against results I have been hearing from other polls regarding things like the settlement freeze, which had a majority opposing it in those polls.
    It is interesting to note that your polls has 1/4 of the Arabs answering OPPOSING a freeze! Maybe these are the ones who work in the settlement construction field.

    69% of the Palestinians wanting a ‘peace agreement’ doesn’t necessarily mean that 69% want peace with Israel, they may view an agreement as a way station in continuing the struggle against Israel. Also having 62% saying that HAMAS should change its policy towards Israel could simply mean that the FATAH-PA approach of supporting negotations is more effective in getting Western money and support which they may think is more effective in the confrontation with Israel than allying themselves with Iran and an absolutist position.

    I have often wondered about the reliability of Palestinian polls. They are a society with no history of democracy and free speech in the Western sense. It seems to me that there are always majorities for whatever the local ruler’s position is…in the West Bank what FATAH-PA say, and in Gaza they reflect HAMAS’ position. After all, can the person being questioned feel that his anwers will remain secret and not get back to the authorities, even if they are assured that there is no danger of this?

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  3. By only showing the statistics depicting the Palestinians as peace pursuers, you ignore nearly every other poll showing how Palestinians want peace with Israel, but are unwilling to compromise on key issues, and, more importantly, on refugees.

    Palestinians maintain the demand to allow ALL refugees to return to Israel because they understand it would mean the end of Israel. In countless polls, Palestinians still wish for Greater Palestine (which entails the demise of Israel).

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  5. Zach, your comment has been edited for personal insults. Also, you have not provided links to any source – credible or otherwise – that supports your claim re. Palestinians demanding the return of all refugees to Israel.

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  7. Of course it’s a blatant falsehood to insist that Palestinians are utterly inflexible on the issue of right of return. As Lisa correctly states, the evidence of that is zero and indeed there is considerable evidence that Palestinians are willing to negotiate. The text of the Geneva Accord and other efforts toward equitable peace refer only to “a just resolution of the refugee issue.’

    That said, the law unambiguously guarantees right of return to those ethnically cleansed from their homes by Israel. The ICJ, the world’s highest legal authority once again reaffirmed this inalienable right in the text of its decision on the illegality of the separation wall. It is true that were Palestinians to exercise their legal right, Israel would no longer be a Jewish state. In other words, Israel is illegal. It can only exist through an ongoing act of criminality–the denial of Palestinian right of return.

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  9. Right of return demand by lead Palestinian negotiator claiming such right exists for 7 million Palestinians: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/10/israel-palestine-refugee-rights

    Enforceability of 194: Zilch, UNGA resolutions do not carry the force of law and neither do ICJ rulings.

    Percentage of Palestinians who have stated that a 2 state solution is merely a gateway to the final one state solution: 60% – http://www.jta.org/news/article-print/2010/11/22/2741858/palestinians-want-one-palestine

    Denial of Jewish connection to holiest site in Judaism: claimed by the Palestinian Authority

    Current status of Palestinian leadership in Gaza: undemocratic; elections past due.

    Current status of Palestinian leadership in Judea and Samaria: undemocratic; elections past due.

    And yet, I congratulate the author. As I was reading the report, for a minute there I thought Israel was the undemocratic, illiberal society and the Palestinians were open, democratic and liberal society (even if their journalist association agrees with the PA and Mutawakil Taha that Jews have no connection or rights to the Western Wall).

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  11. The ICJ never affirmed, nor has it reaffirmed, the right of return of 1948 refugees.
    It is also not to the case that the “law” “unambiguously guaranteed right of return” to 1948 refugees. That’s simply false, I’m sorry.
    That said, a resolution of the Israeli Palestinian conflict will not be possible without both sides acknowledging past mistakes, and understanding each other’s narrative and feelings of victimization. That includes an agreed solution to the refugee problem (as stipulated in the Saudi Initiative), which would, as everybody knows, include monetary compensation, right of return to Palestine and possible a limited number of refugees returning to Israel.
    This is why it is also not the case that It is also not true that Israel “can only exist through an ongoing act of criminality” (even assuming that the denial of the right of return is an “ongoing act of criminality”, which it is not). Israel could continue to exist after the refugee problem is settled. The question is whether the current Israeli leadership is interested in resolving these issues and in peace. Unfortunately, it is not.

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  13. Dahlia, I think you provide an interesting rundown on many of the trends, particularly on the continued desire for a negotiated settlement. However, I think you skip over some of the more worrying signs. I’m particularly referring to the decline in support among Palestinians for an agreement along the lines of the Clinton parameters or the Geneva agreement, found in both the Khalil Shikaki Palestine-Israel poll that you cite as well as in my own recent work for the International Peace Institute, up on my firm’s website (www.charneyresearch.com). This will both complicate the work of reaching any agreement — if negotiations are somehow re-launched — and also mean it is not certain the plan would be approved in a Palestinian referendum, if one should be held. While I don’t think the figures are reason for despair — a real negotiating process might well move the numbers — I do think they are cause for concern. Both Palestinian and Israeli leaders need to prepare their peoples for compromise if the process is to work; instead it appears the opposite is occurring.

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  15. Broadly I’d agree with what you say and do hope that real talks would produce more conciliatory attitudes. Work by our mutual friend Stan Greenberg (described in his latest book) showed how Israeli attitudes softened during the Camp David talks. When we were doing the IPI focus groups in Israel last September, during the week when the aborted talks began, we also saw that day by day the groups became more intrigued by the talks and the chance of peace (although that did NOT increase their willingness to make hard compromises). Moreover it is important not to fall into the trap of assuming that only Israeli attitudes matter, as Greenberg and Barak did in 2000. (They didn’t poll the Palestinians until 6 months after the talks failed — when they discovered that Arafat’s stances were in line with what his people then thought.)

    It seems to me that the political atmosphere and the lead given by both leaderships in public is crucial, not just what progress they make in private. From this standpoint, the ethnocentric political appeals of the Israeli leadership are as discouraging as the PA’s recent endorsement of denials of historic Jewish connections to Palestine. Both are leading in the wrong direction and I think we see the results in the polls we’ve discussed.

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  17. Israel has never been called upon to make any “hard compromises.” That’s like saying that a convicted murderer is making “hard compromises” by promising not to kill anyone else. It’s preposterous. The “hard compromise” Israel is called upon to make is to end its transparently criminal behavior, abide by international law and stop brutalizing innocent people and stealing their land. This is apparently too “painful” for them.

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  19. Just to add some clarification on Resolution 194 and the right of return…

    That right has the full force of law. The right of repatriation of refugees had already become what is known as “customary international law” by 1948, and this is binding upon all states.

    This is clear from the language used by the UN mediator in his recommendations, namely that the right of “Arab refugees to return to their homes in Jewish controlled territory at the earliest possible date should be *affirmed* by the United Nations” – affirmed, not created.

    So the right of return has the full weight of international law, Israel has been, and continues to be in violation of it.



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