12 comments for ”Don’t blame Obama for impasse on Palestine“

    
  1. Obama decided there is no point in wasting his time for the public option too. And for the real financial reform, and for the jobs, and for everything else.
    Obama himself is a waste of time, a looser, and he must go to clear the way for the new left, tea-party style, not the corporative power addicts like Obama and his stuff.

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  3. And what is your concrete proposal to get rid once for all from the predominant position of the American “knight in shining armor riding to rescue ?”. Unfortunately, it is a little bit more than just a disapointing “notion”…

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  5. Although Roi is still pushing the old “progressive” myth that Israel can have peace if it would only decide to (why not pressure the Palestinians to compromise on their non-negotiable demands such as the “right of return” of the refugees”) but he is correct that no externally imposed solution can work.
    Sarkozy is pushing for acccelerated negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians with a time deadline. All this would do is ignite a major war, just like Arafat at Camp David did when pressed to the wall to make a agreement he didn’t want, and just like HAMAS did when Abbas was negotiating with Olmert. The Palestinians don’t want a negtiated, compromise agreement, so either the PA, or their “armed wing” with HAMAS would set off violence to get them out of the predicament of having to make traitorous compromises.

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  7. Bush senior managed to make a much more conservative Shamir move, begrudgingly enough, to create a complete change of the game for about five years.

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  9. The only answer is for the rest of the world to impose sanctions on Israel as was done to end apartheid in South Africa. As with white South Africans Israeli Jews are probably very susceptible to economic pressure by being hit in the wallet. After all Israel has had demonstrations about the cost of living and that many Israelis cannot make ends meet. Once sanctions started to bite white South Africans gave up very quickly. It will be the same with Israelis.

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  11. NOam: Bush Sr. had the Congress behind him in his moves. Remember to, at the time, the evangelicals were not as powerful as today, so pressuring Israel wa not seen a political dynamite. T is the evangelical vote Congress is now pandering to, not the Jews.

    Ben: whether Israel can have “peace” is debatable. But looking at many similar conflicts across the world, accommodation and stability is within reach if Israel gives up on the settlement project. Your tribal enemy doesn’t have to love and embrace you. They just need negative and positive incentives to focus on their own problems. Palestine the state is the positive incentive missing. The negative incentive is the Israeli army. Ending the settlements will also increase internal cohesion in Israel, thereby strengthening the army.

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  13. Obama had Congress behind him when he demanded a total, open-ended settlement freeze – he should have stuck by it and punished Bibi if he didn’t comply, but he let Bibi wheedle him to death. At the same time, Obama should have put the 67-borders-w/land-swaps demand on Bibi, and punished him if he didn’t comply. Obama didn’t have the guts, is all. The poor bastard really believed he could change the world by gentle persuasion. Look where he is now.

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  15. There are things a US president can do without the consent of Congress. He just has to be willing to live with the consequences. A UN vote is one of those things.

    When LBJ pushed through the Voting Rights Act of 1965, he knew the southern Democrats would bolt his party, but he was willing to have this happen as the price for doing the right thing.

    Barack Obama is too craven to do the right thing. I wouldn’t blame him for trying and failing, but I sure as hell blame him for refusing to try.

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  17. Peter-
    You are apparently quoting without realizing it General Evelyn Barker, commander of British forces in Palestine, during the Jewish underground uprising of 1946-7 against British rule. The attacks by the underground were so effective that Barker gave orders that British troops were to have no contact with Jewish businesses (cafes, stores, restaurants, etc). He said “we will teach the Jews a lesson by hitting them in the place that hurts this race the most…in the pocket”. He was reprimanded for saying that and the order was cancelled.
    I see you feel the same way. I read an extensive report about sanctions against South Africa. The report concluded that the the sanctions pretty much hit only the black population, the whites were not effected, and sanctions had little to do with the end of the Apartheid regime. The regime ended because South African businessmen showed that the apartheid system was grossly ineffecient economically, and with the collapse of the Soviet Bloc, the ANC agreed to drop its plan for confiscation of white property. This gave the whites enough confidence to give up power. As I said, sanctions had little to do with it. The article also showed that sanctions almost never get countries to change their policies. This was true also of Rhodesia.

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  19. Obama is a mediator, not a savvy pusher/cajoler.

    He’s not using Biden effectively, who is a savvy pusher/cajoler.

    He should be personally willing to be a one-term president, so that he can work from his strategic convictions rather than from strategic campaigning.

    In the US, the process of campaigning is almost a larger test than the actual job. It takes almost as much time.

    The executive branch on its own, can be very effective, especially on a diplomatic issue. And, if free to pursue the best, rather than the marketable, it will at least pursue the best, and likely also be marketable.

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  21. Roi, Obama could have punished Bibi any number of ways – George Bush held up loan guarantees, Gerald Ford threatened to “reevaluate” the US-Israel relationship, Ford, if I’m not mistaken, held up spare parts for military equipment. Obama could have cut the $3 billion a year, he could have warned that he wouldn’t veto UN resolutons, he could have spoken very simple truths about the occupation that would have made the atmosphere a lot hotter for Israel. He would have had a political fight on his hands, but other presidents have been up to it – Obama didn’t have the guts.



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