7 comments for ”Criticism of ‘False Flag’ piece is misguided and simply wrong“

    
  1. A tour de force.

    Frankel’s piece read more like a primal scream than any serious analysis. Outright denial of reality is never likely to be very seriously taken.

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  3. Thanks for printing Plitnick, 972.

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  5. I’ve read the criticism of my article, here and in the comments section on my article’s page, and I have one larger point to make and a few smaller ones.

    First, the large point…

    Having reported for some years from Gaza and the West Bank, I’m quite accustomed to taking heat from the right wing. I’ve been called a “self-hating Jew” and “anti-Israel” more times than I can count. So when I’m criticized from the left wing, I keep in mind what my journalism professor at UC Santa Cruz told me way back when: “When both sides hate your work, then you are doing a good job.”

    To some smaller points…

    You and others used the NY Times wiretap story to point out that newspapers use anonymous sources when reporting on intelligence matters. But you neglect to mention that when the NY Times took that story to the Bush Administration, the administration ADMITTED that it was true. That’s even better than getting an on-the-record source—that’s an outright admission. And that’s a huge difference from this case where all sides are making denials.

    I see how the fact that the Israeli denial was anonymous while the American denial came from Sec. of State Clinton is somewhat glaring given the content of my article. Perhaps I could have been more careful here. But the large point of that paragraph is that, given history, there is no reason to believe that either side is more believable than the other.

    When I read the insinuation that I didn’t read enough news, I nearly fell off my chair in laughter. If I didn’t spend hours per day reading the news as I do now, I would probably be able to finish my dissertation many months sooner than I am. That, at least, was funny. Whereas other comments on my article accusing me of lacking integrity in reporting, or loyalty to the US, because I’m Jewish were just downright bigoted.

    Many people, including you, accused me of waging an ideological argument. I find nothing can be further from the truth. In no place in my article do I make a single ideological point. The article makes no case for or against war (covert or otherwise) against Iran; no case that Israeli or American actions are or are not justified; no judgment as to what extent the US should or should not support Israel; and no case that generally hawkish or dovish foreign policy is better than the other. The two main points I make are… (1) Given the sourcing, Perry’s article is weak. (2) That the US, like every other state, is responsible for its own actions. If you disagree with US policy, then pointing fingers at Israel, or anyone else, unjustifiably relieves the US of responsibility for its actions. Those two points I wholeheartedly stand by.

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  7. @Frankel: This line of thinking

    “When both sides hate your work, then you are doing a good job.”

    represents one of the biggest problem of journalism today.
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    The idea behind that simplistic cliche is that there are two sides to an issue and the truth resides somewhere in between. If you’ve pissed off both sides, then you know you’ve arrived at the truth.
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    What if the two sides are the NAACP and the KKK, to cite a rather extreme example? If you’ve pissed off both of these sides, are you necessarily “doing a good job”? And what if there is more than two sides to a particular issue, would you still be able to arrange them in such a way that the truth will necessarily be in the middle?
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    When all the people and sides you’re reporting on criticize your work, that is an indication of nothing more than disagreement over your presentation of the facts, not that you’re right. It doesn’t even come close to guaranteeing that you’re doing a good job.

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  9. Rafael,
    So your large point is you are doing a good Job because you are criticized by left and right. No comment.
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    As to the main point of your article, it seemed to me to be, that it is ludicrous “… that Israel is the mastermind behind American Middle East belligerence…”. Actually no such is claim is made by Mark Perry although his sources suggest that Israels actions could escalate and get the US involved. (Not really ludicrous given that Netanyahu keeps open the option of a unilateral attack).
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    I must conclude that for your position the “American passport” affair is unimportant so the whole Perry article is irrelevant. You just seems upset by fingers pointing to Israel for the terrorist attacks in Iran and the claim by the secretary of state that the US is not involved in assassinations of Iranians. In this case I guess the US is telling the truth.

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  11. Excellent discussion with a critical point that bears repeating :
    “What Frankel does in the quote above is to employ what is becoming a very tired and increasingly transparent bit of rhetorical sleight-of-hand by merging the Israel Lobby, the State of Israel and the Jewish people.”
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    1) “Indeed, Perry does not “disenfranchise” the United States, as Frankel put it…”
    - Actually, he does exactly that here : “I think the U.S. government, my country, has lots of problems. But joining with terrorist groups is not one of them.” – I would definitely characterize that as “disenfranchisement”, though it depends whether one is referring to the specific issue of the murder of Iranian scientists (where Perry’s statement might well be true), or in a more general historical sense (where this statement is clearly false).

    2) Pr. Frankel’s statement in comments about neither side having more credibility than the other is certainly correct, as any official statements, even if openly declared, should really be taken with a grain of salt, especially in matters of war and “covert” operations. No law of nature says that the truthfulness of any statement is directly proportional to the openness or the anonymity of the source. It is better to just look at the historical record and notice patterns of behavior, and in this particular case everything does indeed point to the Mossad. Even if it wasn’t, Israelis seem to want to make Iranian leaders THINK it was, as a game of psychological warfare, so, in this sense it is almost irrelevant who did it.

    3) There are three issues (or more, as I am not particularly well-informed about any of it) which need to be separated and not confused regarding the covert operations in Iran :
    a)The fact that covert operations by US forces in Iran have been reported, and are probably ongoing, though most likely through proxies (dissident groups)
    b)This most recent murder in particular (which some experts are attributing to MeK, working with Mossad) which may have little to do with Mr. Perry’s revelations
    c)The fact that Mossad was recruiting Jundallah agents using US passports (which may have been just dual-citizens, so, valid passports?)

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  13. The reason Mark Perry’s article had credence is because he has established a reputation as 1) credible and 2) had sources inside government especially the CIA.

    To a certain extent I believe he was being used by his sources to down play the role of the CIA in fomenting trouble inside Iran. I suspect that Mark knows that as well. But he was being supplied intelligence that was not previously known.

    Should the time arrive that Mark is egregiously exploited to spread false information I will withdraw my trust in his reporting. But so far his insights have high credibility.



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