Comments on: Conscientious objector refusing to serve in IDF sentenced to prison http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Thu, 23 May 2013 02:30:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Sherry http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-2/#comment-71995 Sherry Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:11:11 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-71995 Occupation is immoral and she made a wise decision Occupation is immoral and she made a wise decision

]]> By: Stacie http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-2/#comment-59062 Stacie Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:19:52 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-59062 "The pioneers of a warless world are the youth who refuse military service." - Albert Einstein Much respect to everyone who refuses. “The pioneers of a warless world are the youth who refuse military service.” – Albert Einstein

Much respect to everyone who refuses.

]]> By: Majid Jamali Fashi http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-2/#comment-57794 Majid Jamali Fashi Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:11:57 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-57794 Noam is a courageous hero. I wish more people in occupied Palestine followed her example. Noam is a courageous hero. I wish more people in occupied Palestine followed her example.

]]> By: Arieh Zimmerman http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-2/#comment-57671 Arieh Zimmerman Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:51:20 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-57671 When it comes to the choice of following your own conscience or that of the herd, (right or left wing is irrelevant in this context), you are responsible in the first case for your own actions, or inaction. In the case of Noam, she hurts no one else by her refusal to enlist, she does not physically injure others nor does she put them at risk. She deserves respect, even if her reasons are not fully understood. When it comes to the choice of following your own conscience or that of the herd, (right or left wing is irrelevant in this context), you are responsible in the first case for your own actions, or inaction.
In the case of Noam, she hurts no one else by her refusal to enlist, she does not physically injure others nor does she put them at risk.
She deserves respect, even if her reasons are not fully understood.

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-2/#comment-57485 Greg Pollock Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:39:23 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-57485 TLA, . She is going to jail. She will pay more, socially, later. She is practicing what Gandhi and Socrates advocated. I do not see her jailing upon refusal to serve as a slight against Israel. I see it as an act of moral courage, accepting the penality. Nonviolence builds upon such resolve. (And, no, I've never confronted any authority like she has.) . Again, this story is not a condemnation of Israel. It is about something that has emerged within Israel. Not too many of those somethings, but they are there. What paths they may create--that's the question and unarticulated hope. TLA,
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She is going to jail. She will pay more, socially, later. She is practicing what Gandhi and Socrates advocated. I do not see her jailing upon refusal to serve as a slight against Israel. I see it as an act of moral courage, accepting the penality. Nonviolence builds upon such resolve. (And, no, I’ve never confronted any authority like she has.)
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Again, this story is not a condemnation of Israel. It is about something that has emerged within Israel. Not too many of those somethings, but they are there. What paths they may create–that’s the question and unarticulated hope.

]]> By: TLA http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-2/#comment-57111 TLA Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:35:28 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-57111 I cannot understand why would anyone not go to jail for breaking the law. . You live in a democratic country. You don't agree with the law? Change it. . You break it? You go to jail. . If you're justifying Israelis breaking the law, why is it not OK to go and kill some Palestinians if that's what their conscience tells them to do? . Bigotry in its finest, as usual on this site. I cannot understand why would anyone not go to jail for breaking the law.
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You live in a democratic country. You don’t agree with the law? Change it.
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You break it? You go to jail.
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If you’re justifying Israelis breaking the law, why is it not OK to go and kill some Palestinians if that’s what their conscience tells them to do?
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Bigotry in its finest, as usual on this site.

]]> By: the other joe http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-2/#comment-57060 the other joe Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:18:53 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-57060 @Max well it is unjust because there are a range of opinions which should not lead to imprisonment, including the refusal to fight. It is a matter of freedom of thought and expression and of protecting the rights of people to disagree with the prevailing view. . Again, you're misunderstanding CO status. I can't be bothered to try to explain it to you again. @Max well it is unjust because there are a range of opinions which should not lead to imprisonment, including the refusal to fight. It is a matter of freedom of thought and expression and of protecting the rights of people to disagree with the prevailing view.
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Again, you’re misunderstanding CO status. I can’t be bothered to try to explain it to you again.

]]> By: max http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-1/#comment-57057 max Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:07:18 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-57057 @TOJ "Imprisoning those who refuse to fight is unjust" 1. why is it unjust? 2. she's not refusing to fight, she's refusing to serve. Any service. Like many others you don't hear about (apart from the occasional stats) she had a choice before she went with her friends to publicly object and get us to know about her @TOJ “Imprisoning those who refuse to fight is unjust”
1. why is it unjust?
2. she’s not refusing to fight, she’s refusing to serve. Any service. Like many others you don’t hear about (apart from the occasional stats) she had a choice before she went with her friends to publicly object and get us to know about her

]]> By: max http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-1/#comment-57056 max Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:58:09 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-57056 @TOJ "...are entitled to the same services..." of course At the same time, I assume that you know that much local spending is based on local taxes @TOJ “…are entitled to the same services…” of course
At the same time, I assume that you know that much local spending is based on local taxes

]]> By: XYZ http://972mag.com/conscientious-objector-refusing-to-serve-in-idf-sentenced-to-prison/42176/comment-page-1/#comment-57053 XYZ Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:48:10 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=42176#comment-57053 Haggai Matar- In Europe, in many countries the Left/Progressives supported the idea of universal conscription in order to prevent the creation of an elite military clique controlling the nation's armed forces that is out of touch with the population. What do you think about that? Haggai Matar-
In Europe, in many countries the Left/Progressives supported the idea of universal conscription in order to prevent the creation of an elite military clique controlling the nation’s armed forces that is out of touch with the population. What do you think about that?

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