11 comments for ”‘Scuffles’ between Israelis, Palestinians on Jerusalem’s light rail“

    
  1. What’s this about “feet on the seats?” The transportation equivalent of “stone throwing?”

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  3. I disagree. The light rail is there for every one, Jews, Muslims and Christian. It connects east and west Jerusalem, and even has announcements in Hebrew, Arabic and English, which is, unfortunately, rare in Israel. Buses only have announcements in Hebrew. (The only thing that upsets me is that they call the Sheikh Jarrah station ‘Shimon Hatzadit’).

    But anyway, if the line wouldn’t have gone through east Jerusalem, there would have been complaints about discrimination, and about how east Jerusalem neighborhoods are being neglected by the authorities, etc. If there are two states with an internationalized Jerusalem, the current light rail line shouldn’t be a problem at all.

    Jerusalem already has walls going through it, moving the walls to the 1967 border wouldn’t make much of a difference. Jerusalem should have no walls at all.

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  5. What Eyal said. Very well put. Besides, when it comes to targets of Palestinian violence, since when are perceived offenses against geo-political realities a necessary pre-requisite? What offenses were represented by Sbarro on King George? Cafe Hillel on Emek Refaim? The felafel joint in the old central bus station in Tel Aviv? Countless inner city buses? Etc. etc. The worst thing the Palestinians could ever do to harm their national aspirations is to return to the bad old days of systematic violence against civilians.

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  7. I know people who regularly travel on the light-rail and they have regularly noted problems with Arab youth harrassing Jewish passengers.
    Once they start charging money for rides it is possible that Arab joy-riding will stop and that will help, but as Eyal and CK have noted, no matter what Israel does, it will be blamed by the “progressives” here.

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  9. “Just as the ANC targeted railroads during the anti-Apartheid struggle, the Jerusalem light rail might just emerge as a primary target of Palestinian violence.”
    What Palestinian violence? Al tiftah peh lasatan. Considering the provocations, Jerusalem Palestinians have, over the past couple of years, seemed remarkably restrained. Besides, many Palestinians use the trams despite what you seem to see as political incorrectness, feet on the seats or no.
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    I was wondering why they don’t use pepper spray for Jews who put their feet on the seats, for Israeli public transport is full of them – mostly soldiers and youngsters, none of whom are yet likely to have circulatory infirmities that would excuse the habit. If they need any volunteers for administering the punishment on Egged buses, I’m game.

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  11. BI, I’ve travelled on the thing myself. No-one harrassed me.

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  13. How does a public transportation project that does it best to serve both Jews and Arabs equally, have it signed and massaging system in three languages, and is currently free to all called racist?
    I think it is the first time in history that something is considered racist because it is equal.
    I guess some people just want to see evil in everything. The city invest in Arab quarters? Racism. The city doesn’t invest? Racism. Police take care of Arab vandalism (most of the cases it is not just naive feet-on-seet)? Racism. Police ignore vandalism in Arab quarters? Racism.

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  15. I think if extremests from both sides see the rail as a problem (you should hear right wing people complaining about going through Arab quarters), then something is finally done right here. Arabs need to go to city center too. In the end, it is one city, not two. Even if, hopefully, it will be politically divided and will serve as the capital of both israel and Palestine, it should still be a single urban space. Peaple who think about cold war Berlin-like solution as peace, are idiots. Peace should be about removing walls, not building them. And yes, if the city will split in a peace agreement, it will still need a public transportation system.

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  17. To Joseph
    It’s one thing to report objections & critics against the Jerusalem light rail, quite another thing to predict acts of violence in the near future.
    The way your post is written, it almost looks like you promote ‘counter-price tag’ attacks against the light rail, Joseph.
    Weird.
    The ending in particular: “All said and told, the light rail is a clear strike against any equitable two states solution between Israel and the Palestinians. Confrontations will increase as the status quo currently looming over the conflict gives way to renewed movements of Palestinian civil unrest. Just as the ANC targeted railroad during the anti-Apartheid struggle, the Jerusalem light rail might emerge as primary target of Palestinian violence”.
    Do you realize how disturbing it is to read “confrontations WILL likely increase”, “the Jerusalem light rail MIGHT just emerge as primary target”?
    Are you a medium, Joseph?
    Hope you are not.

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  19. Scuffles.
    When terrible clashes in Cairo tonight that left scores of Copts dead and many wounded don’t even get a mention on this site.
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    Copts have just opened a facebook page with photos (not for the faint-hearted).
    A massacre.
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    http://www.facebook.com/pages/%D8%B4%D9%87%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD-%D9%81%D9%89-%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%B1%D9%88/299964560016959

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  21. Okay, SH, I’ll play your game. SOMETIMES ARABS HARASS JEWISH PASSANGERS, sometimes they don’t. I have heard first-hand accounts of Arab harrassment. Don’t tell me it hasn’t happened just because you didn’t see it.



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