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Close your books! We’re having a pop quiz in Hasbara!

Israel’s Hasbara Ministry is starting early these days. ‘Yedioth Aharonoth’ profiles the 10-year-old children who are being trained to ‘make the case for Israel,’ and tests their new skills.

Yeditoth Aharonoth, page 13 (photo: Ami Kaufman)

Yedioth Aharonoth published today a story about two 10-year-olds from Sderot, Noa and Christopher (quite the Jewish name there, eh?) who have been “hired” (the kids volunteered) by the Ministry of Hasbara (Public Diplomacy and Diaspora Affairs Ministry) to explain Israeli positions. After school, the kids went to a special Hasbara course in which they honed their skills in English and practiced standing in front of cameras.

Here are the answers they gave to Yedioth’s “pop quiz”:

Hasbara quiz: Christopher and Noa answer the tough questions

How will you explain the siege on Gaza?

Noa Edri: The siege is the result of terror and the exaggerated demands the Palestinians have from us.
Christopher Peck: We allow equipment to enter Gaza, but not weapons.

How will you explain harming innocent children in Gaza?

Noa: Unfortunately, in wars there are casualties for both sides. We all pay an equal price because of the conflict.
Christopher: In Sderot and towns outside the Gaza Strip there are children who are suffering from anxiety.

Hamas claims it won Pillar of Defense. What is your response?

Noa: The victory has nothing to do with how far the missiles go. The victory is finding the path to peace.
Christopher: For 13 years both sides are losing, no one has won yet.

How will you respond to the claim that Israel is not doing enough to promote peace?

Noa: Israel is doing above and beyond for peace, but at this stage there is no partner for this move.
Christopher: We are always searching for a way to make peace. We must sit and talk.

How will you describe life in the towns around the Gaza Strip?

Noa: I will tell of sitting in the shelters for hours without even being able to go out to the bathroom.
Christopher: I will tell them how it feels to hear the “Color Red” siren and how you have to escape quickly. It’s really scary.

Yeditoth Aharonoth, page 13 (photo: Ami Kaufman)


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    1. Woody

      The intellectual equivalent of using children as human shields on display right here folks.

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      • XYZ

        Truly immoral. I think Israeli should learn from the Palestinians a much more humane, “progressive” approach, such as when they teach their kids that their dream is to grow up and attach a suicide bomb belt and kill as many civilians as possible.
        Looking around at what is going on in Iraq, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon I think the world can learn a lot about how to run a truly ‘progressive’ society committed to human rights.

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        • Do you only compare to countries in the immediate geographical vicinity? And if so, may I ask why?

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          • JKNoReally

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        • Ollie S

          ‘they teach their kids that their dream is to grow up and attach a suicide bomb belt and kill as many civilians as possible.’

          Yeah, totally different to teaching your kids how to use AK47s, pilot bombers etc to cement a racist terror regime, and teaching them that this is the natural destiny of the Jewish people, divinely sanctioned, etc.

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          • Carl

            Ollie while I think training kids like this is repugnant, your comment is right up there with the K9 and XYZs of the Interweb for illiberal, ill considered tedium.

            And being as I’m feeling pedantic, it’s M4s, not AK-47s.

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    2. rsgengland

      The comparison to countries in the vicinity is absolutely imperative.
      If and when Israel can make peace with her enemies,it will be those countries in the immediate area.
      At present the behavior and actions of our neighbors and countries in the vicinity does not give one much confidence in their respect for their citizens or anyone else’s.
      The hasbara taught to Jewish children is rather polite in comparison to the hate that is taught about Jews and Israelis in the surrounding areas and countries.
      Morsi and Hamas and sundry other religious and political leaders leave no doubt as to what they think of Jews/Israelis and the fact that this hatred must be passed on through the generations by parents and through education.

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      • OK. So using 10 year olds for propoganda can only be compared to actions by neighbors in the vicinity. If, for example, Finland or Japan don’t do it, I can’t compare to them only because they’re on a different continent. OK, got it.

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        • OH WAIT! I get it! You and XYZ gave the kids the course! Shoulda known.

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          • JKNoReally

            Paranoid delusion alert.

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        • Oriol2

          To my knowledge, Israel and Japan are in the same continent. :) You are right anyway.

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          • The Trespasser

            As a matter of fact, Japan is archipelago – it is completely separated from Eurasian continent and northern part of it isn’t even on Eurasian tectonic plate.

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          • Piotr Berman

            Plate tectonics is tricky: indeed, Eurasian plate is huge, but African plate extends to the Dead Sea, Jordan Valley and Beka’a Valley, bordering Arabian plate to the east and Anatolian plate to the north. Indian subcontinent has a plate and so on.

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    3. Piotr Berman

      Is it wrong to brainwash children to repeat lies? Is there some absolute scale to judge those things, regardless what happens in Greenland, Falklands, Egypt, anywhere?

      The problem is that healthily thinking Israeli patriots, unlike degenerate elements who run this website, believe all that b……t however self-contradictory.

      “We allow equipment to enter Gaza, but not weapons”. It took two years to allow humus and coriander. It took two more years to allow gravel. Gravel! And of course export is almost completely prohibited. And now, once again let is pipe it in angelic prepubescent voice “We allow equipment to enter Gaza, but not weapons”.

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      • Did you just call me a degenerate element?

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        • Piotr Berman

          Yes, Ami. But I have a lengthy explanation. I am a long-time Sci-Fi fan and the term degenerates is used in a novel that I liked, Prisoners of Power. In the synopsis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_Power check the two paragraphs starting with “Eventually, it is revealed that to maintain the loyalty of the population, …”

          In a nutshell, the degenerates suffer from a defect that makes them immune from measures assuring the loyalty.

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    4. XYZ

      No one questions Finland or Japans legitimacy or is threatening to throw their populations into the sea. None of neighbors accepts our legitimacy, even those who have “peace agreements” with us, as they all make clear in their propaganda against us.

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    5. Those kids do not talk about to continue a terror, to kill somebody, to start hunger strike. They say that both sides are losing… I see it’s too hard to except that jews are clever people from their childhood…

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    6. laila

      My favorite is
      “We all pay an equal price because of the conflict.”
      which is utterly false even within Israel.

      The children are been taught to comment on the beautiful dresses of the emperor.

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    7. Kolumn9

      Ami, if you find another country that has neighbors that want to destroy it and faces rocket barrages every few years you are welcome to compare Israel’s behavior to them. They can be on any continent you want.

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      • HA! I love my Hasbara trolls, you guys are so pathetic. How about you find me a people under apartheid rule for the last 45 years k9, then I’ll deal with your lame comment.
        Piotr, since I don’t understand, maybe make it simple for me. Did you curse me?

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          • Carl

            Pretty specialist that one Piotr. I know I need to get out more, but… .. .

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          • “Prisoners of Power” was published in the USSR in 1969; its writing was a couragous act of the time.

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        • Vadim

          Ami – you are simply a gem.

          I just love the way you respect people who disagree with you and answer their arguments. Oh wait, those who disagree with you are not really people, they’re just pathetic Hasbara Trolls.

          And since *everyone* knows there was absolutely no Terror, Fedayeen, wars, pogroms and random-Friday-afternoon-slaughter-of-Jews before the dreadful “apartheid” that started on 67 – you are of course fully correct in your reasoning.

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          • You mean the way I disrespect Hasbara trolls like you? You little gem you

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          • Y-Man

            Well, it is pretty objectively pathetic that guys like XYZ and Kolumn 9 spend hours every day trolling this website’s comments section. I mean, unless they’re getting paid for it, which means the Israeli Hasbara effort is the truly pathetic one.

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          • Vadim

            Y-man: I understand that you only like to read opinions you already agree with. I think it’s mentally easier. Some of us however, enjoy reading opinions we don’t agree with. Think about them. Argue about them. I find it interesting to have a conversation with someone who sees the world differently. You find it “objectively pathetic”. Ami thinks his inability to have a civil conversation and respond to arguments is something to be proud of.

            Ami – :)

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          • Y-Man

            But their opinions aren’t insightful or original in the least. It’s the same hasbara bullshit that the US media has been perpetuating for decades. It’s not exactly opening my eyes to anything when they drop hasbara talking points on a leftist Israeli blog constantly. It’s not that interesting to deal with people who are just blatantly intellectually dishonest.

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          • Arieh

            “Well, it is pretty objectively pathetic that guys like XYZ and Kolumn 9 spend hours every day trolling this website’s comments section.”

            Personally I like posters like XYZ and Kolumn. They are the only ones who talk sense in this site. In fact, they are a breath of fresh air.

            However, I do understand why professional critics like Y-Man can’t take criticism. Critics and carpers usually don’t like it when their point of view in turn gets criticised. Which is what XYZ, Kolumn and a few others are very good at doing.

            And the best retort to what they say is calling them “Hasbarah Trolls”?
            Pathetic.

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          • Y-Man

            “They are the only ones who talk sense in this site. In fact, they are a breath of fresh air.” Well maybe you shouldn’t read this fucking site day after day after day if it makes you feel that way. I realize that Israeli politics has the whole added element of professional hasbarists paid by the Israeli government, but in America we call people who never fail, to the most part, to post propagandist comments on websites whose politics they disagree with, trolls. I don’t go to some IDF webpage and post “You guys are participating in a criminal system!?!?!” because it’s not constructive, at all. I think the two, XYZ and K9, together have made maybe one or two actually interesting or insightful points, and posted interesting information maybe twice. I ain’t no professional critic. I ain’t getting paid shit to write on here, whereas it’s well known that the Israeli government pays people to post on blogs.

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        • Kolumn9

          So, we agree then that this is a special case and judging it by the standards of such peaceful places as Japan and Finland is wrong. I am not going to red

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        • I venture to Piotr’s aid: in the USSR, once the Party had declared socialism “achieved,” dissent implied a sickness in the individual, for one lived in a perfect society. Continued dissent could, as was, declared mental illness. In fact, Sakharov was placed in a mental institution, certainly given drugs. So, being a “degenerate” is a plus if you don’t believe in perfect societies but do believe in speech.

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          • Piotr Berman

            We must remember that while it is easier to trace the concept of correct and diseased minds in the context of totalitarian state, conformism is a powerful force in democratic states as well.

            One aspect is that the truth can be terrifying. Take the extend of lies used to start war in Iraq in 2002. OK, nobody is perfect. But the official line in USA and UK became that “no intelligence agency could tell that this is not true”. Either it is a brazen lie, or the entire budget of those agencies is a colossal waste (non-exclusive propositions). Can we believe ANYTHING? The short correct answer is no, but the consequences are so unpleasant that few people agree.

            Actually, when USSR was still existing, I had an occasion to visit Israel and one impression I got was a shocking tendency to believe that the government knows what it is doing etc., compared with the mindset in the Soviet block.

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          • A few days ago, Hilary Clinton testified over Benghazi. One Senator came to her aid, saying the intelligence over WMD in Iraq was wrong and over 2000 Americans lost their lives. But no one says at least 100,000 Iraqis lost their lives. For a Senator to say this would be–crazy.

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        • Shmuel

          ” How about you find me a people under apartheid rule for the last 45 years”

          Ah the good old occupation card. Several Israeli leaders tried to end the occupation but in response they got an Intifadah or demands such as the ROR which could not be met.

          So Ami, tell us how would you end the occupation if you would be the prime minister?

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          • Sorry, I don’t waste my time answering loaded hasbara questions.

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          • Shmuel

            “Sorry, I don’t waste my time answering loaded hasbara questions.”

            Loaded? What is loaded about it? I am really interested in your solution even though I probably won’t agree with it (I suspect).

            Or would you prefer to keep it to yourself because it is easier to be a critic than to provide your alternative?

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        • Eitan

          Yes Ami, so the people who are under 45 year rule of Apartheid send children to blow themselves up in buses, and the people who’s existence is being threatened by their 640 times bigger neighbors and are facing a huge campaign of demonization all over the world ask their children to help explaining their side to the world.

          Or in other words: how does your reply refute what the “hasbara troll” wrote?

          And why is it that when someone doesn’t agree with you and expresses different views in a respectful way you call him/her “hasbara troll”? What exactly are you gaining form this labeling? You might as well be “anti-hasbara troll” no?

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          • You’re right – I am an anti-hasbara troll! Thanks Eitan the hasbara troll! :)
            .
            Oh, was that childish of me not engaging in a fruitful discussion with the hasbara troll? Oh, I’m sorry… I promise to play with your idiotic comments next post. OK sweetie?
            .
            btw, you’re first sentence makes me think that YOU’RE the instructor of the course, not XYZ. How many are there?!?!?

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          • Eitan

            Sorry that I wasted my time, good luck

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        • Joseph

          Regardless of whatever position you take, I find you ad-hominid attacks to be extremely distasteful, and utterly unprofessional. Also, I find it somewhat ironic that you, who grew up in a free country and made your living based on the freedom of press and expression enjoyed here, employ an almost dictatorial-like control over your comments. Ktsat chomer le’machseva.

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          • You’re right. I should be more dictator-like, and block Arieh. Thanks Joseph!

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    8. Danny

      More pathetic hasbara efforts from those great thinkers and deep intellectuals Gideon Sa’ar and his buddy Yuli Edelstein. What more can be said about Sa’ar that hasn’t already been said? The man is absolutely incorrigible. I only hope his new squeeze Geula Even is getting some of that sweet lovin’ Sa’ar is famous for.

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    9. The Trespasser

      All good Israeli copywriters are long working in Hollywood.

      Those who can’t get any job there, run local media campaigns.

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    10. Philos

      What is truly brilliant about this campaign is the apparent belief that the Gentiles must be so stupid as to believe that we’re not putting up propaganda props and exploiting children. It seems the more that Israel complains about compared to totalitarian regimes the more it apes them. Yes, Hasbara Trolls, Israel’s enemies, Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, Godzilla, and the global anti-Semitic conspiracy headed by the BBC, exploit children for their own propaganda purposes but that’s what one expects of fascist political movements. Surely, that’s the least we expect of them? So why is the good guy copying the bad guy in this good versus evil conflict? What was it Nietzsche wrote, “Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” Ah, but what does he know, right, our dear Hasbara Trolls? He’s just a goy. They’ll never catch on. Just like they believe China is a democracy and that the North Koreans love their leader. Those incorrigible goys. They see children and believe every word that comes out of their mouths.

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      • Kolumn9

        Because the bad guys appear to be winning the propaganda battle at least as far as the international left is concerned?

        Why would anyone on the left ever quote Nietzsche?

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        • Philos

          K9, Nietzsche was a godless atheist that despised the state and, thus, not usually found in the “reading list” of right-wing ideologues.
          .
          Vittori, “goy” is a Hebrew (and Yiddish) word for Gentile. It is not considered derogatory in Israel yet is frequently used in a pejorative fashion. Also, the word is used frequently by Israeli politicians, pundits, celebrities, and, of course, our wonderfully sage rabbis. Personally, I loathe this word but I try to take out it’s power by using when criticizing the Hasbara Trolls. The reason I use it is that the mindset behind Jews and Goyim is seen throughout the Hasbara effort. In traditional Jewish thinking (sic, primitive) the Goys are misguided beasts (they have animal souls) and so they can be lied to, easily manipulated, and made to serve the cause of Judaism. This type of disgusting think permeates the Hasbara industry; those “goys” are too stupid to understand our righteousness so we must do everything in our power to turn them to us. If you had an inkling of what Israel 2013 is like you’d understand that my use of “goy” is to criticize the very thinking behind the Jew vs humanity dichotomy that has become prevalent (again) in Israel.

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          • Vittorio

            Well done Philos my boy. Make sure Ami pats you or your head.

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          • Vittorio

            So Philos,

            Given that most Jews, except of course, a few good Jews like you and Ami, are very bad and racist people right?

            So maybe it is time to teach them another lesson like they had 60 years ago? I mean they are just asking for it right? I think their only saving grace is that there are still a handful of good Jews left, like you guys who are willing to stand up ….

            Wait, for it …. For truth …. justice …. And the what way? … I think in the superman cartoons they used to say “the American way”? But you guys wouldn’t like that would ya?

            What’s your equivalent of it? The Marxist Communist way? Educate me, after all I am just one of the evil bad Jews, not like you holy ones.

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      • Vittorio

        “Those incorrigible goys.”

        You really like this term “goy” don’t you Philos?

        Please explain to your adoring fans what it is. I am sure doing so will give you a hard on, no?

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    11. 10 year olds, across whatever boundary, are too young to make principled conclusions. Kids usually mimic what their parents think is right until adolescence bursts. I am aware of the “education” that occurs in Gaza; I believe similar in the Bank has been toned down–but there are many outlets for “truth,” everywhere.

      The use of children in this Hasbara simply projects what its crafters believe–that innocence is with them, that they protect the flower of tomorrow, that their suffering is ontologically primary. All this intergrated through nationalism. No wonder rightists fear it so much in the enemy.

      Ami, although I am manifestly unimportant, I would not know of this kind of campaign without you. You may like the nationalist right hasbara that results from such posts, but I find it tediously jackel like.

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    12. Khaled Khalid

      I wonder if the Hasbara Trolls XYZ and K9 are on the Payroll of AIPAC or the “Disinformation” Ministry of Israel? One thing is for sure about the Arm-Chair Propagandists/Trolls: Their number must be legion. Everywhere they are there all day peddeling the ADL/AIPAC version of Pro-Settler “Niggers are a Cancer” and “Palestinians are Self Pitying Terrorists.”
      It’s like the recent Sunday Times cartoon of Bibi building a brick wall with Palestinian Blood. It’s historically accurate as all Israeli Politicians believe in the Zionist Project. But the debate has been sidelined by questions of “Is it or isn’t it Anti-Semitic?”

      Well here is one perspective: If you shove a stick up someone’s ass, don’t be surprised if they react violently. If you kill, evict, lie to, jail Palestinians so as to make a room for Kahanist Ashkenazi-only towns then…
      No amount of “Hasbara” Propaganda can conceal the injustice.

      (And no, I am not diminishing the gravity of the Holocaust but one crime against European Jews does not, and never will, mitigate another crime against the Palestinians.)

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      • The Trespasser

        >No amount of “Hasbara” Propaganda can conceal the injustice.

        What’s unjust? Palestinian Arabs wanted war and they got war. They wanted war with a different outcome?

        >… one crime against European Jews does not, and never will, mitigate another crime against the Palestinians.

        True.

        However crimes carried out by Palestinians are rather sufficiently mitigating crimes carried out against them.

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        • directrob

          Your crime arithmetic is off. In real life crimes do not mitigate each other they add up.

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          • The Trespasser

            >In real life crimes do not mitigate each other they add up.

            How so? Care to explain?

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          • directrob

            one crime + one crime = two crimes

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    13. Note to self: Never feed the Hasbara trolls. They just get more hungry, more crazy, and multiply.

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      • Arieh

        “Note to self: Never feed the Hasbara trolls. They just get more hungry, more crazy, and multiply.”

        … And heaven forbid, if “we” engage the “Hasbarrah Trolls”, they may show the rest of the world the stupidity, hatefulness and childishness of self absorbed haters of blogs such as this.

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        • At least I’m not causing the destruction of this land like haters like you arieh. And now, get off my channel, pathetic Hasbara troll

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          • Arieh

            ” And now, get off my channel, pathetic Hasbara troll”

            Like I said, C-H-I-L-D-I-S-H.

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          • dany

            Bruahahaha. You really believe your nonsene hasbara trolling is a mature thing?

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          • Arieh

            “Bruahahaha”

            Yes, another mature response even if a bit manic.

            Keep it up, Danny.

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          • HAHAHAHAH bye bye racist Zionist Hasbara troll!! It was great while it lasted. Now, go find some other people to annoy with your childish racism and apartheid.

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    14. Piotr Berman

      Unlike Ami, I prefer “healthily thinking Israeli patriots”, or HTIP, to “pathetic Hasbara trolls”, or PHT*. But I am a rootless cosmopolitan with a low regard for patriotism, especially healthy.

      However, I am curious how our HTIP/PHT find the answers produced by Noa and Chris. Natural confusion of 10-year olds (and why should we pick on Israeli 10-year olds if the tykes in Lebanon may produce something comparable) or actually correct answers?

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      • I’m an HTIP. PHT’s aren’t patriotic. They’ve already destroyed their Zionist dream. It’s over. They’ll realize soon enough.

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    15. Carl

      Is it me or does engaging with the Internet genuinely lead to a net loss of intelligence?

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      • A net loss. Fantastic!

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    16. Piotr Berman

      “Healthy thinking” in the context of patriotism may mean trust in the leaders and enthusiasm. Children that are subject of this story are a good example: they learn answers compiled by the leaders and recite them adorably.

      Doubt is corroding the solidarity. Healthy criticism has to be constructive. Etc.

      I think you do not fit the most frequent description of healthy patriotism, Ami. Which is not a bad thing. But if “they destroyed their dream”, what is your dream? If you (or someone else) have already wrote about it, a link or search key words would suffice.

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      • Equality and justice for all between the river and the sea.

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        • Khaled Khalid

          Ami – Agreed. We either have Justice for everyone or there’s Justice for no one.
          Otherwise Hilter’s thesis of Nationalistic Racial Preference was proved correct.

          As a side note, what with the world economic conditions these days, a new Hitler should be just around the corner to take advantage of the Financial Stress, promising security and prosperity for all. (All who matter, that is.)

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        • Vittorio

          That’s nice. The dream bit. Most of us love motherhood and apple pie. But some people are orphans and others can’t easily get apple pies.

          What would be interesting is to know how do you suppose you could achieve your dream of

          “Equality and justice for all between the river and the sea.”

          Are you sure the Arabs would grant equality to Jews if they get the reins? They didn’t in the past, you do know that?

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          • Carl

            Vittorio, I think everyone would agree that orphans are never adopted and that if you don’t have an apple pie now, you never will.

            The Right in Israel understood years ago that you can’t just make dreams happen ‘If you will it’.

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    17. directrob

      Vitorio, from your mail I think I can tell one thing for sure, you are not willing to create a state with equality and justice for all. You even refuse to write Palestinian.

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      • Vittorio

        Rob

        And you are for equality? The same kinds of equal states that Arabs/Palestinians run? The way that they treat minorities? Or even their own population? The way Hamas summarily executes opponents in the street and drags their bodies behind motor cycles?

        Spare me. You can have such equality for yourself. And do me a favour, take Ami with you.

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        • directrob

          Vittorio

          I am for justice and equality and I am for human rights. At the moment none of these are present between the river and the see.

          I also see no reason why individual Arabs or Palestinians are less or more capable than individual Jews to live in an secular state with justice and equaity for all.

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          • pelsar

            than i shall give you a few reasons: culture and education.

            perhaps you cant figure out how the muslim brotherhood got elected? can’t figure out how hamas got elected? can’t figure out why khhomenis govt in iran keeps on going? Why the PA has shari law as its base (article 4).

            seems to me if you dont know about these things, as apparantly you dont, you should do some research about the cultures, how they affect the individuals, group think, group identity…why the PA and hamas have rejected western though, western civil rights

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        • Piotr Berman

          Vittorio,

          I am a bit unclear what you try to argue. On the face of it, you seem to imply that since EVEN Hamas does not practice decent quality of justice, it is foolish to expect that to happen in Israel. Or just outright unreasonable to wish for it if even such wise entities like Hamas do well without it (and surely they have good reason, hence so does Israel).

          But on the positive side, what is YOUR dream? (E.g. I hope that one day Israel will be exactly like Hamas, but with Halacha rather than Sharia.)

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    18. Vittorio

      “The Right in Israel understood years ago that you can’t just make dreams happen ‘If you will it’”

      Yes, gotya. All ya gotta do is will it and click your shoes together, Dorothy.

      I can will it all I like Carl but the Arabs/Palestinians need to will it too. Show me evidence that they will it.

      I can see none.

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      • Piotr Berman

        The people whom I call HTIP and Ami calls PHT seem to reject the notion that we need some goals beyond what is possible right now, a vision of the society as it should be, so we can move toward those goals, be in slowly or fast.

        But perhaps you have a dream, or a vision? If you dream of a blissful state in which you can live for months without encountering a single breaker of the rules of Halacha (or a non-Jew, if you are less peculiar), this is also a dream. If you dream of a powerful state that can send bills to its subject without proving anything beyond the knowledge of your car registration (but alleging a moving violation recorded on a device, with recording never to be disclosed), or kill the undesired harmful individual without any hindrance like formalities, this is also a dream.

        Alternatively, you can believe that now Israel is in Golden Age, and the only problem is how to make it last longer. For starters, it is already better than in Gaza!

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    19. Vittorio

      I said give me evidence that Palestinians/Arabs are happy to treat Jews as equal human beings. Their actions certainly don’t suggest it and never did nor do their teachings to their kidsit. This is what their kids are brainwashed with:

      “The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews. The Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: ‘Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him;’ but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”

      Now guys, let’s cut the crap. Isn’t it time you call the gatekeeper of this talkback and tell him to kill me off too? Like he kills all dissenting voices that he does not like?

      Act like the trees and the Rocks. Call Ami and tell him that a dissenting Jew is hiding on his talkback. I am getting bored with talking more than one person at a time.

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      • Your wish is my command. (But more because you basically called for my death. Ciao, troll!)

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    20. Vittorio

      Oh and Piotr,

      Before our fearless gatekeeper gets rid of me, there is no such thing as a golden age. And no, the Messiah won’t be coming. There is what there is. We have to deal with reality. There is no perfection, there never will be.

      There is no harm in aiming for ideals, as long as you don’t lose your head while you try for it. Which what worries me about this site. Your collective death wish in trying to create a utopia.

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      • Piotr Berman

        “We have to deal with reality.”

        Sure. Hasbara is a method of dealing with reality by obfuscation and falsification. As I observed before, you did not even try to defend the answers given by the children except for the claim that a quiz in Jordan or Lebanon would have symmetric results.

        Putting PHT version together, teaching chidren b..t is a part of struggle and not teaching children b..t would constitute an unwarranted advantage conferred upon the enemy, thus jeopardizing physical existence of the Jewish state, and personal safety of the Jewish people.

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    21. And one last thing – Newbies like Vittorio should know this in the future. I don’t block dissenting voices. K9, XYZ and many others are proof of that.
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      I only block dissenting idiots.
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      Welcome to Half & Half!

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      • Shmuel

        One last try:

        Ami

        Everyone who disagrees with you is either a Hasbarrah troll or an idiot.

        You said so to:

        - Me (Shmuel)
        - K9
        - Vadim
        - Eitan
        - Arieh
        - Vittori

        You banned two of the above. Arieh and Vittori. You called Arieh a racist. Where exactly did he say anything racist? You said that Vittori wished you dead. Where exactly did he wish you dead? When he said this?

        “Your collective death wish in trying to create a utopia”

        Is that what you call wishing you dead? The way I read it is that he is expressing concern that in aiming for utopia, the Palestinians will render you and the rest of us dead.

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    22. pelsar

      fascinating talkback there ami, you make the pro Palestinians on democratic underground sound like tolerant progressives. (thats an oxymoron).

      what i did notice that, which btw is very typical of the “progressive” is not just a lack of tolerance for those that disagree with them, but the need to call them racists, or even worse: hasbara people…. its appears to be some kind of ‘knee jerk” reaction.

      unfortunately its a rather standard reaction to those that disagree with the “progressives and one sees it all over the internet forums, which makes one wonder if there is a secrete website for progressives with the same talking points….

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      • noevil9

        Yes, there is ! Its called the truth, if you wish to look it up. You might find some good informations there.

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    23. HAhaha, I love this! Looks like i touched a nerve with the trolls.
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      Yes, you are all Hasbara trolls.
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      Yes, you are all racists. Once you get it through your thick heads that you all are Jewish supremacists, you’ll understand.
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      Don’t worry, I was there once, too. But I woke up.
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      Meanwhile, I’ll keep calling you out, and you can keep calling me a child.
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      It is you, the Hasbara troll racist who is childish.
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      Just calling it like it is. I know the truth hurts.

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      • pelsar

        what “nerve” just an observation that whenever a progressive reads/hears something they disagree with, they call out racism (i assume because your responses are all so predictable, that their must be a progressive handbook somewhere- kind of like having a cult leaders little “red book”

        btw, ever notice how the progressive left and the religious are similar in their responses? You all use a different set of words, but they are in fact interchangeable:

        and you all have the same intolerance…..just different sides of the same coin.

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        • who said i was progressive?

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          • Ah! It was you! The brave anonymous commenter!

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          • Ah. Pelasar, you’re so wise! You think your last comment is so unique, and insightful, don’t you? Let me just tell you I’ve read it already a thousand times. “Oh, you extremists on the left and the right are all the same”. Blah Blah. You’re not only a troll. You’re a boring one. Shall I be un-progressive and ban you too, just because you’re lame? Yes… so tempting… Banning someone because they’re boring like you, anonymous Pelsar who doesn’t even have the balls to use a real name, only something that seems to come from some kind of Star Wars movie. Are you holding your saber now, as we speak, my child?

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    24. Ruth

      Comment deleted and user banned

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    25. Piotr Berman

      My summary and suggestion:

      On the second thought, I think that Ami chose the lesser insult (shorthanded to PHT) then me, healthily thinking patriots, because I was actually insulting patriotism, and that is not nice.

      That said, the policy of allowing trolls to exists but refusing to feed them seems inhumane. It is better to try to turn a discussion in a creative direction. Ami, trolls are already pathetic and you want to starve them to boot?

      And the trolls indeed seem morose at best (“pathetic” is judgmental and thus debatable). None defended the answers that the children learned! And none offered a positive dream for the future, except for some grim version of survival.

      Last word: Ami, you are too testy. Compared with average commenters in JPost and ynetnews, right wingers here are moderate and made some effort to offer good arguments. As the (relative) moderates, they have their limits, like defending the designers of the hasbara course for the children.

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      • The ones that offer good arguments are still commenting. The idiots are not. If that means I’m testy, so be it.

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    26. Yani

      Why do you critique hasbara and then allow those engaged in it to comment on every story? Some of who are the greatest egoists engaged in the topic whose principle critique is the Ad Hom. All this does is undermine every article written.

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