15 comments for ”Citizenship Law prefers discrimination over human rights“

    
  1. It comes down to this – If human rights threaten a nation’s existence, it’s time to consider that the nation in question does not deserve to exist.

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  3. Aristeides, that sounds like coloniest talk to me.

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  5. @ Aristeides , what if that so-called nation was “created” at the expense of a real active nation ?

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  7. Let’s say – if a nation can only exist on a foundation of slavery, would we declare that nation does not deserve to exist?

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  9. Thats in case its a nation but anyway for the sake of arguement (as Norman.F says) we arent assuming anything , we have a so-called nation that was created at the expense of a real nation ,so its that fake nation vs the real one,I choose the real one that existed before the fake one

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  11. while agreeing with the gist of things, i find one essential fact being overlooked in all references to this ruling here on +972.
    this law, at least formally, isn’t racist. it doesn’t discriminate against arab israelis, but against ANY israeli resident wishing to build a family in israel with his/her palestinian partner. if it’s racist against any ethnic group, it would be non-israeli palestinians, and not even that, since it’s about residents of gaza and the west bank, and not american/jordanian/french palestinians for example.
    this law does undermine civil rights of individuals, but not of arabs per se in this case. this is more of a tough migration policy against occupied palestinians, which is messed up anyway. it’s not a reasonable measure like barring residence from citizens of enemy states, since they live under your occupation.

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  13. before anybody jumps at me, let me be clear. of course the vast majority of these family ties occur between arab israelis and palestinians. of course this is yet another rotten message to the arab minority, in a wider context of messages signaled to them.
    however, when discussing legal issues, one needs to be accurate, and not toss the term “racism” around too easily.
    as to asher grunis, i agree his quotation is dangerous and outrageous. such a populist verdict could be used for literally any denial of human rights in the name of any “national concept” that is greater than the rights of the sum of a state’s residents.

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  15. Noam – are you sure the law only discriminates against spouses of WB and Gazan Palestinians? Has it been tested in the case of American Palestinians, or Jordanian or French Palestinians?

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  17. @Noam: You’re wrong. Just because a law doesn’t use racist language doesn’t mean it’s not racist. The citizenship law is aimed squarely at the Palestinian citizens of Israel and their right to marry whoever they choose. This was never about who Jews should and shouldn’t marry, as if the number of Israeli Jews in relationships with Palestinians or other Arabs beyond the Green Line was ever the concern of the law’s authors.
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    The argument you’re making is like someone saying the American War on Drugs isn’t racist because it criminalizes all drug use. In order for that to be true, for example, one would have to ignore how crack, a cheap drug whose use is much more prevalent among poor people of color, consistently results in tougher sentencing than does cocaine, a more expensive drug used much more often by affluent white people. One would have to ignore how law enforcement focuses so much more of its resources on communities of color than affluent, predominantly white areas. One would have to ignore that 1 in 9 black man aged 20 to 34 in America is in prison and that one of the most common reasons for this is drug charges.
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    Or better yet and more relevant to this topic, that’s like saying the home demolitions that Israel routinely conducts against Palestinian families aren’t racist. Of course, the reasoning behind this vandalism is couched in the terms of legality and the rule of law, since the Palestinians are building without permits. Yet anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty understands that Palestinians by virtue of their ethnicity are denied those permits and thus are forced to build this way in order to live.
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    This law is racist — not because this fact is spelled out in the wording. No, its authors are much too clever for that. It is racist because in practice and intent, it harms the rights of only one ethnic group.

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  19. From the piece:
    “Even when Judge Levy further writes that “minority discrimination only because of who they are” is “something alien to our most basic concepts,” he surely knows that these beautiful words wither in the face of the ugly reality. Hollow words tend to lose their beauty, even if their author desires desperately to believe in them.”
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    No, words believed, desperate or not, can ultimately prevail. In 1886 the US Supreme Court effectively legalized Jim Crow (“separate but equal”); one Justice of 9, not 5 of 11 as in this High Court decision, dissented. His dissent, well after his death, became American Law and stands at the heart of decisions on racial and sexual equality in the work place and use of services/buying of goods. This is little solace for Israeli citizens wanting to marry WB and G Palestinians. But it suggests that decrying the words of the dissent as desperate, perhaps involving lies to self, can be quite wrong. 5 Justices stood up to Grunis; a better start than lone Justice Harlan in 1886.
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    Noam,
    I would say that this law does violate racial neutrality in that it prevents any Israeli citizen from marrying another (with later import into Israel) solely based on geographic race. The Israeli Declaration of Indpendence forbids discrimination of full social and political rights based on sex, race, ethnicity, or creed. The social right to find a spouce and live with her/him is fundamental to human life. Denying that right when the chosen spouce is of another race is de facto discrimination by race in the enjoyment of that right. So, as I have said too often here, this law should have been struck down as violating the meta-constituion of the Declaration.
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    What Justice Grunis did in his “Human rights are not a prescription for national suicide.” is assert that racial categories foundationally define the State. The Declaration agrees with him by enshrining the free ingress of Jews into Israel (implying other immigation can be curtailed as such, but not as applied when interfering with other rights otherwise enjoyed by Israelis); but it explicitly states that, apart from that free ingress, race may not be used as an exclusionary badge. If, say, a non-Jewish Amercian spouce of an Israeli may reside in the State, so too may Arab spouces of Israelis enter the State. And, as I have noted elsewhere, Israeli security would have likely delayed entry of applicants for a year or more, and I doubt the High Court would have said a word (had the case gone the other way).
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    Do not decry this dissent as desperate or hypicritical. This is the beginning of the battle for Israeli law and its constitution. US Justice John Harlan in 1886 began a path; so too have these 5 dissenters. A battle does not decide a war.

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  21. @Sinjim: No, you’re wrong. Read again through what I’m exactly saying. I still think that this law isn’t racist per se, although it’s aimed against mostly arabs.

    Your example with narcotics in the US has to do with perhaps-racist enforcement rather than legislation.

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  23. “I still think that this law isn’t racist per se, although it’s aimed against mostly arabs.”
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    Sorry, a law cannot “aim” at “mostly Arabs” and not be racist.

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  25. yes it can. maybe the words “aimed against” were wrong. replace them with “affects mostly”.
    just as this “easy-on-cocaine” policy isn’t racist per se, but it’s implication is anti-black.

    and just as the absence of civil marriage in israel is against any jew who doesn’t want to marry with the orthodox rabbinate, but in reality it affects atheists and intermarrying couples. yet it’s not explicitly anti-atheist. get my point?

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  27. Of course the absence of civil marriage is anti-atheist. There’s no other reason for it save for the explicit religious control of marriage; AND reducing multiracial marriages. So you get a bizarre episode of 90 + couples marrying in some other country and returning to Israel. The sole reason for the restirction is to remove alternatives in marriage. That is what discrimination is.
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    In the US, black/white marriages were banned (until the US Supreme Court struck such laws). What, they really weren’t being discriminatory, just restricting marriage to within one’s race as a gentle reminder?

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  29. @Noam: A law prohibiting kosher slaughter in Europe IS racist, although it also applicable to a Christian who could theoretically prefer kosher meat. A law prohibiting a circumcision IS racist, even though it also restricts a Christian who, for some reason, would like to do it it himself or his kid.



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