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	<title>Comments on: Case dropped against authors, endorsers of gentile-killing manual</title>
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		<title>By: Jack Foreigner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 21:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan: Well, while we&#039;re on the subject, many Asians do regard Jews as being very smart.  The wartime Japanese were puzzled why the Germans would want to murder many of their own best citizens, and quite a number of Chinese today hold without any irony that Chinese are only the second smartest people in the world...after the Jews.


I&#039;m not sure that all these people are &quot;racist&quot; because they believe that Jews are so smart.  After all, by many indicators, &quot;the Jewish people&quot; have made many seminal contributions to human civilization and evolution these past two hundred years or so, of the Copernican paradigm shift sort, akin to harnessing fire or inventing the wheel.  I&#039;d think such a people are correctly determined to be &quot;smart&quot; or &quot;clever.&quot;


Yes, this doesn&#039;t say anything about any particular individual Jew, but there is such a thing as tendencies, standard distributions.  Not all men are alike, but when compared to any sizable group of women, they are often much more alike than not.  Is that &quot;sexist?&quot;


I guess what I&#039;m trying to say is that I personally don&#039;t dismiss generalizations as inherently bad -- racist, sexist, or whatever...depends on the context, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan: Well, while we&#8217;re on the subject, many Asians do regard Jews as being very smart.  The wartime Japanese were puzzled why the Germans would want to murder many of their own best citizens, and quite a number of Chinese today hold without any irony that Chinese are only the second smartest people in the world&#8230;after the Jews.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that all these people are &#8220;racist&#8221; because they believe that Jews are so smart.  After all, by many indicators, &#8220;the Jewish people&#8221; have made many seminal contributions to human civilization and evolution these past two hundred years or so, of the Copernican paradigm shift sort, akin to harnessing fire or inventing the wheel.  I&#8217;d think such a people are correctly determined to be &#8220;smart&#8221; or &#8220;clever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, this doesn&#8217;t say anything about any particular individual Jew, but there is such a thing as tendencies, standard distributions.  Not all men are alike, but when compared to any sizable group of women, they are often much more alike than not.  Is that &#8220;sexist?&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m trying to say is that I personally don&#8217;t dismiss generalizations as inherently bad &#8212; racist, sexist, or whatever&#8230;depends on the context, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, if you feel that it&#039;s racist to say &quot;the Jews are a clever bunch,&quot; then I&#039;ll retract it. The Jews are not a clever bunch. There, that&#039;s better, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, if you feel that it&#8217;s racist to say &#8220;the Jews are a clever bunch,&#8221; then I&#8217;ll retract it. The Jews are not a clever bunch. There, that&#8217;s better, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF - &quot;I feel like you insist on deliberately misinterpreting the spirit of my remarks&quot;
If you mean that I deflate your spirit by showing that it&#039;s based on fabrications of its detailed components, then yes, you&#039;re right.
You don&#039;t know squat about religions, you only know things others have said about religions, some tidbits that seem to fit your view</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF &#8211; &#8220;I feel like you insist on deliberately misinterpreting the spirit of my remarks&#8221;<br />
If you mean that I deflate your spirit by showing that it&#8217;s based on fabrications of its detailed components, then yes, you&#8217;re right.<br />
You don&#8217;t know squat about religions, you only know things others have said about religions, some tidbits that seem to fit your view</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF - &quot;the Abrahamic holy texts, ... like to refer to another world&quot;
And this nonsense from a person who says that he cares only for the &#039;original text&#039; as it was meant to be.
Arrogance and ignorance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF &#8211; &#8220;the Abrahamic holy texts, &#8230; like to refer to another world&#8221;<br />
And this nonsense from a person who says that he cares only for the &#8216;original text&#8217; as it was meant to be.<br />
Arrogance and ignorance</p>
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		<title>By: klang</title>
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		<dc:creator>klang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yossi
perhaps you should be grateful that the authors of Torat Hamelech arent prosecuted. It is just as contentious that Torat Hamelech is a Gentile killing manual as it is that your columns are a Jewish killing manual. SO if Rabbi Lior had to go to jail, you might have to go to jail as well. At best, you are opposite sides of the same coin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yossi<br />
perhaps you should be grateful that the authors of Torat Hamelech arent prosecuted. It is just as contentious that Torat Hamelech is a Gentile killing manual as it is that your columns are a Jewish killing manual. SO if Rabbi Lior had to go to jail, you might have to go to jail as well. At best, you are opposite sides of the same coin</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF writes: &quot;Chinese who didn’t know how to make a buck” — hence the old racist ditty about “chink chink chinaman sitting on a fence/trying to make a dollar out of fifty cents”)&quot;

Very similar to RB&#039;s claim that &quot;the Jews are a clever bunch.&quot; 

RB meant this in earnest, not as an example of racism; however both statements are racist because they ascribe an innate characteristic to an entire class of people-- Chinese or Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF writes: &#8220;Chinese who didn’t know how to make a buck” — hence the old racist ditty about “chink chink chinaman sitting on a fence/trying to make a dollar out of fifty cents”)&#8221;</p>
<p>Very similar to RB&#8217;s claim that &#8220;the Jews are a clever bunch.&#8221; </p>
<p>RB meant this in earnest, not as an example of racism; however both statements are racist because they ascribe an innate characteristic to an entire class of people&#8211; Chinese or Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I suppose statistically some Jews will survive the fall of the US empire, as individuals, but it seems to me quite probable that Jewish politics as such will be completely discredited, globally, along with the US itself. As I mentioned, the Bible contains a number of warnings about the long-term consequences of over-identification with the empires du jour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I suppose statistically some Jews will survive the fall of the US empire, as individuals, but it seems to me quite probable that Jewish politics as such will be completely discredited, globally, along with the US itself. As I mentioned, the Bible contains a number of warnings about the long-term consequences of over-identification with the empires du jour.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Foreigner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max: I feel like you insist on deliberately misinterpreting the spirit of my remarks, willingly missing the forest for the trees, and in such a situation we&#039;re just having two different conversations, only using the same labels.

Not productive, and not very interesting to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max: I feel like you insist on deliberately misinterpreting the spirit of my remarks, willingly missing the forest for the trees, and in such a situation we&#8217;re just having two different conversations, only using the same labels.</p>
<p>Not productive, and not very interesting to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Foreigner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rowan: I&#039;m sorry we continue to quibble over semantics (though, as semanticists say, all arguments are over semantics and not things themselves).  When I say that religions are inherently &quot;fascist,&quot; I mean that they cannot but help act like fascists.  I certainly do not mean that religions constitute a reaction to capitalism.

It&#039;s as if I were to say that Chinese culture is inherently capitalistic (&quot;never met a Chinese who didn&#039;t know how to make a buck&quot; -- hence the old racist ditty about &quot;chink chink chinaman sitting on a fence/trying to make a dollar out of fifty cents&quot;) but of course there was no &quot;capitalism&quot; at all in the ancient world.

As for whether the Jews will survive the American empire, of course they will -- assuming you mean &quot;people of Jewish ancestry/heritage.&quot;  Hopefully, however, all religions will be overcome one day, such that that&#039;s all &quot;Jewish&quot; will ever mean.

Yes, the Abrahamic holy texts, like all holy texts (except possibly certain Zen Buddhist ones) like to refer to another world, another plane of existence, that ol&#039; &quot;something more to life&quot;...the thing has has me so exercised about Abrahamism is that they&#039;re so overtly fascist, as I say, and I think that as long as we hold Abrahamism dear and Abrahamic representatives (priests, rabbis, and imams) to be dear as well we&#039;re going to have problems in the world.

Why, just look at all those sex scandals in the Catholic Church -- and in Brooklyn&#039;s Ultra-Orthodox communities -- where if it&#039;d been non-religious people involved in shielding sexual predators there would have been mass arrests!  But oh no, because it&#039;s these dear holy men of an ancient Canaanite wargod, we must respect their perogatives and give them the benefit of the doubt...it&#039;s been like this with the Abrahamic religions ever since Pontius Pilate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rowan: I&#8217;m sorry we continue to quibble over semantics (though, as semanticists say, all arguments are over semantics and not things themselves).  When I say that religions are inherently &#8220;fascist,&#8221; I mean that they cannot but help act like fascists.  I certainly do not mean that religions constitute a reaction to capitalism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if I were to say that Chinese culture is inherently capitalistic (&#8220;never met a Chinese who didn&#8217;t know how to make a buck&#8221; &#8212; hence the old racist ditty about &#8220;chink chink chinaman sitting on a fence/trying to make a dollar out of fifty cents&#8221;) but of course there was no &#8220;capitalism&#8221; at all in the ancient world.</p>
<p>As for whether the Jews will survive the American empire, of course they will &#8212; assuming you mean &#8220;people of Jewish ancestry/heritage.&#8221;  Hopefully, however, all religions will be overcome one day, such that that&#8217;s all &#8220;Jewish&#8221; will ever mean.</p>
<p>Yes, the Abrahamic holy texts, like all holy texts (except possibly certain Zen Buddhist ones) like to refer to another world, another plane of existence, that ol&#8217; &#8220;something more to life&#8221;&#8230;the thing has has me so exercised about Abrahamism is that they&#8217;re so overtly fascist, as I say, and I think that as long as we hold Abrahamism dear and Abrahamic representatives (priests, rabbis, and imams) to be dear as well we&#8217;re going to have problems in the world.</p>
<p>Why, just look at all those sex scandals in the Catholic Church &#8212; and in Brooklyn&#8217;s Ultra-Orthodox communities &#8212; where if it&#8217;d been non-religious people involved in shielding sexual predators there would have been mass arrests!  But oh no, because it&#8217;s these dear holy men of an ancient Canaanite wargod, we must respect their perogatives and give them the benefit of the doubt&#8230;it&#8217;s been like this with the Abrahamic religions ever since Pontius Pilate!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RB: I think you know exactly what comment Max had in mind. You seem to imply that American Jews are Jewish before they are American. Is that what you believe? Do you think American Jews are less American than other Americans?

Here are your comments, which my prompted my response:

“I am very interested in seeing whether the Jews will survive the fall of the US empire. So far, the signs are not encouraging, but they’re a clever bunch once the get the message. Perhaps in 20 years’ time they will be allied with China…”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RB: I think you know exactly what comment Max had in mind. You seem to imply that American Jews are Jewish before they are American. Is that what you believe? Do you think American Jews are less American than other Americans?</p>
<p>Here are your comments, which my prompted my response:</p>
<p>“I am very interested in seeing whether the Jews will survive the fall of the US empire. So far, the signs are not encouraging, but they’re a clever bunch once the get the message. Perhaps in 20 years’ time they will be allied with China…”</p>
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