6 comments for ”Religious harassment and police complicity in Beit Shemesh“

    
  1. I have a “weak spot” for “Naturei Karta freaks”. First, they are regularly vilified because they are anti-Zionists. Second, they are sooo Jewish! Which forces religious (and non-Religious) Zionists to some contortions. For example, there was a law proposed that a non-Jew cannot be naturalized (and perhaps issued some other permissions) without swearing loyalty to Israel as a Jewish state. But why only non-Jews? Because “Naturei Karta freaks” and other non-Zionists religious Jews would refuse.

    Second, they are living proof of superiority of European culture. Just compare all those Mizrahim with the scions of European cultural centers like Slonim, Ger or Satmar.

    Third, they are pacifists.

    Forth, for pacifists, they pack decent punch. All those hours spend studying books and wow! And what can IDF veterans do? Call the police. And what the police can do? Call UN peacekeepers?

    Fifth, I think I recognize the source of their theology. My favorite: “Hitchhiker Guide to The Galaxy”. One of the stories in the Guide is the quest to find The Last Message of G..d to His Creation. (Well, without dots). After much travails, the heroes found and deciphered letters that were tall as mountains and blazing like suns and so hard to look at (on a far away planet). S O R R Y F O R T H E I N C O N V E N I E N C E. It would be an act of folly to view this message flippantly. Something HAS to be inconvenient. So Halacha has to be interpreted as G..d wishes, in the most inconvenient way imaginable. Of course, we will make it gradual. Note for example that they do not strip mixed-thread cloths from people on the street, verily, one has to proceed one step at the time.

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  3. This is very reminiscent of the situation in N Ireland during ‘the troubles’
    On one occasion the polie and army had to provide a cordon sanitaire between th heckling mobs of Catholics and Protestants , while the little girls, petrified made their way through a veritable tunnel of sectarian hatred.
    We look back on this period with great shame and speak of it now as if it were an historical event existing only in the minds of doddering octogenarians. But it all happened in the past 10 years .
    I have visited Israel many times . I was never aware how the ultra orthodox had infiltrated schools to the extent that they have . Nor was I ever aware that they took a particular interest in children’s apparel and more shockingly that they should terrorise children over their zealous code of modesty.
    I read somewhere that the ultra orthodox constitute 15 % of the population of Israel , and that they are fearless of authority figures because Netenyahu needs their support in the Knesset to hold his majority there .
    It is a sad tale and can only get worse if the children grow up with that vehemence of hatred imbedded in their hearts.
    Since she spent so much of her endeavors making Israel a State , Israel will never become a society cohesive with all the trappings of a democracy ; that the State should treat all her citizens equally

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  5. I think that phenomena of opposing women at the bus fronts and opposing “immodest school girls” are somewhat different because there are different groups of “ultra-Orthodox”.

    The particular groups that oppose girl’s school in Beit Shemesh are a non- (anti- ?) Zionist minority among the “ultra-Orthodox”, and they get into fights with the other “ultra-Orthodox”. These people care only about being properly prepared for the coming of Messiah and their rabbis issue “more strict” edicts to be “on the side of caution”. E.g. one of them advise followers not to use woolen cloths at all to avoid the remote danger of mixing threads. This is a bit weird because there are specialists who can quickly analyze any particular fabric specifically from that point of view. This is not the return to Middle Ages but “progress”, new, “more advanced” interpretations.

    There is some trend in Israel that “everybody” is getting more extreme but in at least 3 different ways. One is “halachic strictness”, one is “purity and completeness of Eretz Israel”, and the third, perhaps rare, is “one state”, forms of opposition to the current state.

    Opposition to the state can be combined in two ways with religious strictness (Halacha and Sharia). Some combine religious zeal with “Eretz Israel”, but they are usually less, or MUCH less particular about Halacha. Some just go for “Eretz Israel” and try to cleanse the Land from trespassers and heretics of secular kind (“Radical Left”, if you read Arutz Sheva, there is no normal left but only capitalized and either Radical or Extreme, usually Radical).

    Some call this phenomenon “Jerusalem Disease”. Jerusalem as a spiritual notion is an ideal, and imperfection cannot be tolerated. Perhaps the capital should be moved to Beer Sheva.

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  7. Q) What the difference between Neturei Karta and Larry Derfner
    A) Larry Derfner blogs on Shabbat

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  9. Have a look at a posting I put on the Blog. Its too long to cut & paste here. I must stress that I am dead against any form of thuggery or intimidation, on both sides.

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  11. Have a look at a posting I put on the Blog. Its too long to cut & paste here. I must stress that I am dead against any form of thuggery or intimidation, on both sides.
    http://cafe.themarker.com/post/2483456/



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