Comments on: Beyond protest: War and the Israeli Left http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Tue, 01 Sep 2015 19:54:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8 By: JohnW http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269980 Fri, 01 Aug 2014 21:42:36 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269980 “You earned death threats after launching unprovoked personal invective against me.”

Even if true, which it isn’t, because you were the one who started the personal invective against me, even then, death threats?

You need a head shrink, Goldo. You need serious medical help. They might also help you distinguish reality from fiction.

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By: Goldmarx http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269953 Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:15:03 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269953 You earned death threats after launching unprovoked personal invective against me.

I have never asked you to respect me, just to remove yourself from this planet forthwith.

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By: Reza Lustig http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269919 Fri, 01 Aug 2014 17:55:32 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269919 WND is run by a Lebanese christian fundamentalist, and runs articles by people like Chuck Norris. Hardly a credible source.

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By: JohnW http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269821 Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:07:06 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269821 “such a pleasant contrast to the murder-inducing Likud trolls like Arb, JohnW and AVdim.”

Poor Goldie do you feel disrespected by me?

I am sorry but I won’t apologise. I never apologise to people who wish me to be dead. Call it a weakness …

You specifically said that you wish me to be dead. I am sure it wasn’t vindictiveness that made you say it. It was sheer ignorance and bloody mindedness.

Not that you worry me. You are just another stupid little anonymous man who is brave on the internet. In real life you are probably very unassuming and insignificant and you are just trying to compensate …

I do pity you but sorry, I cannot respect you.

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By: Goldmarx http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269666 Fri, 01 Aug 2014 04:05:46 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269666 Interesting response. I appreciate your respectful tone; such a pleasant contrast to the murder-inducing Likud trolls like Arb, JohnW and AVdim.

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By: ish yehudi http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269592 Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:24:28 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269592 first- hopefully we’ll see pressure on the gov’t to recognize Abbas and to empower him more. Livni and the centerists can and hopefully will push this- and even Bibi may shift- worth praying/ lobbying for. But it will take an outspoken statement by Abbas to really put the ball back in Israels face on this- like what he said in Saudia after the kidnapping.
About the missiles- shooting from Aza is not the same as shooting from Budrus…the status quo decidedly does not include rockets from the West Bank- G-d help the Palestinians there if it ever would.

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By: Goldmarx http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269505 Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:22:50 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269505 “It will be the image and presence of a large Palestinian non-violence movement (not confronting the army/ wall- but calling for Peace). The rooted sense amongst Israelis that there is no partner, no matter what we will offer has overcome the average Israeli. To work for peace, means proving that wrong.”

–> So why isn’t Abbas and the West Bank leadership good enough? What is the mental block preventing the average Israeli from seeing the plain truth over there?

“For the average Israeli- who feels under siege and who clearly recognizes that a two state solution could very well mean those same rockets falling on Ben Gurion etc.”

–> Well, that has been happening for the past three weeks WITHOUT a two-state solution. So the status quo means rockets aimed at airports.

“you cannot right off their fear as entirely delusional. What can possibly reassure them?”

–> If the US cuts off all aid to Israel, just watch how dovish the Israeli government gets to get back that aid, and it won’t matter what the average Israeli fears.

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By: Tomer http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269468 Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:58:27 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269468 The Israeli left?
A small groups of losers, communists and self-haters that everyone else ignores.

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By: ish yehudi http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269350 Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:03:30 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269350 through long conversations about what will it take to bring the Israeli left (and right for that matter) to believe in co-existence withe the palestinians- there’s one thing that stands out. It will be the image and presence of a large Palestinian non-violence movement (not confronting the army/ wall- but calling for Peace). The rooted sense amongst Israelis that there is no partner, no matter what we will offer has overcome the average Israeli. To work for peace, means proving that wrong.
No matter the convincing arguments you can give, pressures from abroad (Jewish and otherwise), the lack of any faith in the Palestinians is crucial to empowering the peace camp in Israel. This is a big task, demanding visionary Palestinians who can engage a people under occupation and holding a conception of their enemy that only inspires more mis-trust. We Israelis need to point out in stronger (and more nuanced ways- because most of the left is so sure of itself it turns me off too) terms the steps the PA takes on behalf of security, and to understand the difference in how a Palestinian voice of peace looks vis a vis their street, to an Israeli.
For the average Israeli- who feels under siege and who clearly recognizes that a two state solution could very well mean those same rockets falling on Ben Gurion etc and all the scary pictures that power the security narrative- you cannot right off their fear as entirely delusional. What can possibly reassure them? their cousins in chicago telling them its gonna be okay when the occupation is over? ;)
But seeing Palestinians standing up for an end to the violence- from both sides- declaring to their leaders that violence won’t bring them forward, and having that message carried on the media and into israeli hearts… that will be something

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By: Chaisecat http://972mag.com/beyond-protest-war-and-the-israeli-left/94656/comment-page-1/#comment-269288 Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:43:53 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=94656#comment-269288 Gatestone Institute chair is freakin’ John Bolton! UN Ambassador under Dubya.

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