Comments on: Between a wall and a Green Line: Palestinian life in ‘Seam Zone’ http://972mag.com/between-a-wall-and-a-green-line-palestinian-life-in-seam-zone/37537/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Fri, 24 May 2013 04:41:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: directrob http://972mag.com/between-a-wall-and-a-green-line-palestinian-life-in-seam-zone/37537/comment-page-1/#comment-48025 directrob Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:34:38 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=37537#comment-48025 This is not insanity, it is a state sponsored crime against humanity. A group of bureaucrats, "law" enforcers, soldiers, judges, un vetos and settlers let loose to make life miserable for the people who's only crime is to be alive in the wrong spot. The only ray of hope is that when the system changes all people will become over time nice law abiding citizens again and people will live together in peace. This is not insanity, it is a state sponsored crime against humanity. A group of bureaucrats, “law” enforcers, soldiers, judges, un vetos and settlers let loose to make life miserable for the people who’s only crime is to be alive in the wrong spot. The only ray of hope is that when the system changes all people will become over time nice law abiding citizens again and people will live together in peace.

]]> By: sh http://972mag.com/between-a-wall-and-a-green-line-palestinian-life-in-seam-zone/37537/comment-page-1/#comment-48024 sh Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:53:10 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=37537#comment-48024 Thanks DTA. The name Al'Seefer reminded me of the word Lucifer. . The guy who opens this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0F5Xmyqwlw seems to own Lucifer Farm. . An extract from Avishai Margalit's review of a book called Dark Hope: Working for Peace in Israel and Palestine, by David Shulman: http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=725&Itemid=180 . "In the South Hebron Hills, there is now a place aptly called "Lucifer's Farm." Its "owner," Yaakov Talia, is an Afrikaner who converted to Judaism at the end of apartheid in South Africa. He is another wild, charismatic tough guy who attracts many religious young people. They spend time on his farm helping to take over more and more land." . So there's a bunch of dubiously converted Afrikaners out in them thar hills who have been handed land on a plate by a government that does not own it. The rationale behind holding on to these areas is by now so riddled with insanity that it cannot hold up for much longer. Thanks DTA. The name Al’Seefer reminded me of the word Lucifer.
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The guy who opens this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0F5Xmyqwlw
seems to own Lucifer Farm.
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An extract from Avishai Margalit’s review of a book called Dark Hope: Working for Peace in Israel and Palestine, by David Shulman:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=725&Itemid=180
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“In the South Hebron Hills, there is now a place aptly called “Lucifer’s Farm.” Its “owner,” Yaakov Talia, is an Afrikaner who converted to Judaism at the end of apartheid in South Africa. He is another wild, charismatic tough guy who attracts many religious young people. They spend time on his farm helping to take over more and more land.”
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So there’s a bunch of dubiously converted Afrikaners out in them thar hills who have been handed land on a plate by a government that does not own it. The rationale behind holding on to these areas is by now so riddled with insanity that it cannot hold up for much longer.

]]> By: Aya Shoshan http://972mag.com/between-a-wall-and-a-green-line-palestinian-life-in-seam-zone/37537/comment-page-1/#comment-48017 Aya Shoshan Sun, 11 Mar 2012 08:23:37 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=37537#comment-48017 The Abu-Kbeitas are warm and welcoming people, despite everything they've been through. It was a true pleasure working with them on installing solar panels in their village. But now the civil administration is threatening to demolish energy systems in the area. See www.comet-me.org for more information on the demolition threat. The Abu-Kbeitas are warm and welcoming people, despite everything they’ve been through. It was a true pleasure working with them on installing solar panels in their village. But now the civil administration is threatening to demolish energy systems in the area. See http://www.comet-me.org for more information on the demolition threat.

]]> By: DTA http://972mag.com/between-a-wall-and-a-green-line-palestinian-life-in-seam-zone/37537/comment-page-1/#comment-47982 DTA Sun, 11 Mar 2012 06:53:11 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=37537#comment-47982 After reading this article, I read through a few older postings from the same area and found one of Mairav's old articles, which is more than a year old: http://972mag.com/watch-a-sole-settler-deprives-an-entire-village-of-water/5333/ . After seeing these articles, I lost all my hope that anything good can happen anytime soon. There is simply no good intention left. If Area C in West Bank is totally given and if the people living there are going through these kind of situations, how can there be any two-state solution with only Areas A and B? If there is no two-state solution, how can these people live in a single state with this much a hate.. So sad :( Thank you for this inconvenient reminder Ariel Bardi. After reading this article, I read through a few older postings from the same area and found one of Mairav’s old articles, which is more than a year old: http://972mag.com/watch-a-sole-settler-deprives-an-entire-village-of-water/5333/
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After seeing these articles, I lost all my hope that anything good can happen anytime soon. There is simply no good intention left. If Area C in West Bank is totally given and if the people living there are going through these kind of situations, how can there be any two-state solution with only Areas A and B? If there is no two-state solution, how can these people live in a single state with this much a hate.. So sad :( Thank you for this inconvenient reminder Ariel Bardi.

]]> By: directrob http://972mag.com/between-a-wall-and-a-green-line-palestinian-life-in-seam-zone/37537/comment-page-1/#comment-47863 directrob Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:33:27 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=37537#comment-47863 Was not so hard to find, Firing Area 918 See: http://www.btselem.org/download/200507_south_mount_hebron_eng.doc Was not so hard to find, Firing Area 918 See:
http://www.btselem.org/download/200507_south_mount_hebron_eng.doc

]]> By: DTA http://972mag.com/between-a-wall-and-a-green-line-palestinian-life-in-seam-zone/37537/comment-page-1/#comment-47861 DTA Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:09:52 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=37537#comment-47861 SH: I think it is. Wikipedia says Beit Yatir is also know as "Metzadot Yehuda" and if you look at this map: http://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files2/map/southern_hebron_hills_map_eng.pdf it is adjcent to the "Lucifer farm". The map shows a closed area there; I wonder what that is.. SH: I think it is. Wikipedia says Beit Yatir is also know as “Metzadot Yehuda” and if you look at this map: http://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files2/map/southern_hebron_hills_map_eng.pdf

it is adjcent to the “Lucifer farm”. The map shows a closed area there; I wonder what that is..

]]> By: sh http://972mag.com/between-a-wall-and-a-green-line-palestinian-life-in-seam-zone/37537/comment-page-1/#comment-47855 sh Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:48:08 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=37537#comment-47855 Surreal, this. Just awful. Is this in the area called Lucifer? Surreal, this. Just awful. Is this in the area called Lucifer?

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