59 comments for ”Evidence undermines gov’t's claim that terrorists were Gazans“

    
  1. @ Weinstein
    By ‘navel gazer’ I’m in fact basing my judgement on many of your comments that have been much about your own person.
    Ex: someone asks whether a “Cohen” has more right to live in Israel than a “Wiener” or a “Masri”. I answer that the important thing is NOT his family name but how his family settled down in what is actually Israel, asking him whether he thinks a Warshawski from London, a Cohen from Paris or a Mizrahi from Morocco have MORE right to live there than an indigenous Palestinian.
    You jump in attacking me of NOT addressing the central point: that the guy’s ancestors came from Poland. Well, to me that was NOT the cental point, and I write what I find essential in a spontaneous comment to someone else. I then asked YOU if you think, that a diapora Jew has more right to live in Israel than my family who lived there for hundreds of years, i.e. till ’48. And off we go on a long navel-gazing comment on your life, your mother’s cooking, your own superior humanism etc etc. Over and over again. That’s what I consider navel-gazing.
    “Liberal zionism” some call it. You think you’re a liberal but when it comes to Israel, you’re incapable of seeing thing from a native, i.e. Palestinian point of view. You’re not the only one, but at least most don’t pretend to. “Liberal Zionists” do.

    Maybe you should actually read the comment policy, and Noam Sheizaf’s article in particular. They don’t want abusive comparison to Nazis, and you know, even me who have lived in France for many years, don’t understand “French humour” which is probably too sophisticated to non-French and is to humour what military music is to music :-)
    Maybe you shouldn’t play the victim card too much, it’s not that you comments are free of personal allegations.
    We are in fact a bunch of people who consider Zionism very negatively, and the two times that you have made Nazi-allegations were to dismiss those people and their point of view. For a “non Zionist” that pretty strong. You see Zionism in the light of your family history, others who suffered or who understand the suffering that Zionism created see it differently, nothing to do with Goebbels or Mengele to whom someone compared another commenter recently on another blog.
    The fact that you make such a fuss out of a deleted comment, isn’t that a sign of navel gazing ?
    You know, three kids have been killed in Gaza by Israeli drones, we haven’t heard one word from you on that. A semantic deconstruction of my use of ‘combabattants’ instead of what you consider Islamo-fascist Jihadists was more important.
    Chacun ses priorités.

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  3. @ weinstein henry

    i am non zionist, and i always voted for hadash (4 times) so i considered to be a radical leftist, and i dedicated almost ten years now to the struggle against the occupation, the struggle for equal rights inside israel, and struggles for social justice. and i also feel that the “dialog” here is silly, agressive, demogogish, fool of fear from complicated views and facts that doesn’t sit straight with conspiracy, and the norma is: personal attacks. they tell you who you are , insult you, cover the weakness of their position with loads of empty words and personal heavy fire, and don’t look back.

    in a way, it starts to feel like aruts 7 here. the worst thing is that the 972 directors are encouraging that spirit. the left should not close itself in a box of virtual reality, however warm and nice. we should fight within reallity, and stop playing straight to the hands of the right wing by promoting such speculative and escapistic concepts. and regardles of who exactly set the attack near eilat (and i do believe it’s a mutual work of islamic jihadists from egypt and gaza, but not of hamas or an israely conspiracy), the fact that this speculative discussion, that fuels a growing conspiracy theory, is the current bon-ton in the radical left, says a lot about the way of dealing with the region – as an object, just like the right wing zionists. because if we all agree that the attack is at least a salafist egyptian act, along with huge egyptian demonstrations against the peace agreement with israel, there are also other imporatnat subjects and questions to deal with… it’s quite sad to see how everybody here, and dozens of articles of blogers and radical left wing sites, are dealing with the “major” issue – the israeli goverment acts that followed the attack , but none deals with the collapsive route of the peace agreement with egypt, or with the brutal crushing of the liberal left in egypt. highly intelectual humanisitc powers, good hearted people, wake up! there is a big elephant at the back yard, hallo!!!

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  5. @Eitan,

    I am not only not a Hadash voter, but not even “left wing”, however I must say BRAVO to your last post….כל הכבוד

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  7. @ Eitan
    You don’t like ‘conspiracy theories’ but if I’m correct you were the one that wrote:
    “Israel …killed leaders of the popular resistance groups (lijân al-muqâwama al-sha’biyya) that shot missiles on Israel DURING the attack, and for almost 24 hours now Israel is holding it’s fire back on Gaza, while the popular resistance groups are still firing missiles”.
    This is not true: the Popular Resistance Committee did not fire missiles on Israel during the attack in Eilat, and you “forgot” that the PRC started firing missiles on Israel AFTER the killing of their members.
    Your statement is basically parroting the “official story”.
    No, you don’t like conspiracy theories when they don’t cover the crimes of your state, that’s more like the truth. In fact you want this kind of blogs to parrot Haaretz.
    You don’t like conspiracy theories. Well, what do you think of the bombing of Gaza ? We havent’t seen any proofs whatsoever that Palestinians were involved. The dead bodies identified till now from the attack in Egypt are ALL Egyptians.
    You “do believe that it was a mutual work of Jihadists from Egypt and Gaza”.
    Wonder why Israel didn’t bomb Cairo then ….

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  9. @Aristides – Feel free to make up your own definition of what “constant” is. But I notice that even you don’t deny that there is rocket fire from Gaza.
    As for the death of innocents. It happens in all wars to both sides. Now please don’t get on your soap box and rile at me that I am callous. I am just stating a fact. It does not mean that I am happy about it.
    The party to blame for it is the party who started the war and the party who plays the zero sum game which essentially ensures that the war is ngoing. And that party is Hamas.

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  11. @Weinstein Henry – I know how you feel. I have to make the same decision everytime I come here and at the end I will probably just have enough of it.
    You strike me as a decent person with an independent point of view. I think you better decide for yourself whether you should stay or go. Personally, I would like to see you stay.

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  13. @Eitan – If there more people like you on the left, the left in Israel would be stronger.

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  15. I read the article looking for the evidence promised in the headline, only to find absolutely none.

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  17. @ Eitan Hajbi
    I agree with you on everything, and that’s why I think it’s pointless for me to comment anymore on +972.
    @ Bosko
    I’m a decent person, not a saint; so I need a decent-friendly environment to think right, say the right thing, and do the right thing. . .
    I’m a clown, too; but they are so addicted to their hatred politics they can’t stand it.
    Shalom



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